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Gary Johnson all the way I think Jill Stein vs. Gary Johnson would be quite fun.
I picked Jill Stein & Gary Johnson so that there would be a great discussion of differences in political approaches to solving our nation’s problems. I love Jill Stein’s “Green New Deal” which would create 25 million jobs! We need a New Deal…a Green one!
I want to see Gary Johnson & Rocky Anderson
Me too. Rocky is very clear and confident where he stands
Rocky just sounds like a 70′s Democrat to me. Nothing new there. Nice guy though.
he was, before he lost hope in dems
Did the Dems in the 70s talked about ending the war on drugs and ending corporate influence in politics?
Yes, they did, and they do a lot of talking about a lot of things they don’t believe in, to get you to vote for them, still. That is what I am saying. Rocky is from a different Party, but he seems to sound the same. He and the guy from the Constitution Party seemed like they were fairly adjunctive to me.
Yes yes and yes…..the shame has continued over time and it is all because of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
that is why you have to vote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, they did. Whatever they had to say to get votes, just like today.
he is on the ballot in 2 states, and he doesn’t want to be president– he says his strategy was to get votes and then drop out at the last minute taking a executive appointment… not likely though with only 2 states having him on the ballot. Also his platform is a mirror of the green party’s, represented by Jill Stein.
Just what we need, more people like you who open their mouths and don’t do their homework. I suggest you check out his website or wikipedia. http://www.voterocky.org/
I suggest you find a more reputable source to cite or refer to in any discussion.
What more reputable site then looking at Rocky’s website, where the correct information is posted clearly on the home page. I am sorry but mistakes/misinformation should not be tolerated. Don’t we get enough of that with media and the other parties?
This is just like the campaign of Obama and Romney…..got to get off of here, I thought it might be different…..we don’t need dirt to make our decisions, people can make up their own minds with out you all throwing dirt!
Dear Sonja Marie Fischer LeVan. Dont leave? It seems like You have a Good Spirit. Please be a little patient about that speck of “dirt” that got thrown. Sometimes Truth looks like “dirt” when We don’t like seeing it. It is part of the Human Species makeup to find “dirt” and use it as a weapon. All We have to do is find out if it is True or not and then adjust Our Personal Positions accordingly.
Uh…”Good Dirt” is Truth. “Bad Dirt” is not True. Lets become strong enough to discern between the two kinds of “dirt”.
Rocky Anderson has never said he would drop out of the Presidential race and take a cabinet appointment. This, unfortunately is a rumor which originated with supporters of the Green Party several months ago. I have nothing against Greens or Jill Stein but I have been very disappointed about the actions of some Green supporters… for example Green in Illinois fought (and succeeded) getting Rocky Anderson’s name removed from the ballot. However, the reason I am not supporting Jill Stein is it is a fact she has never been elected to office. She has not had to balance a budget or make split second decisions for her constituents. I don’t think you go to the White House to learn on the job. Rocky Anderson has a long track record of walking the walk. Please check your facts before you spread the lies.
If you think the president is the one who balances the budget, much less actually drafts a budget, I suggest you check your facts as well. Anyway, you say it is a rumor, yet I cite a source claiming it’s not. As much as I’d like to believe you, it’s hard to since I don’t think Rocky would publicly admit the “rumors” are true.
Rocky would love to be the POTUS and works his ass off to make it happen. He would never drop out and will continue his work on building the Justice Party in future elections.
I know Rocky personally. In fact he mentioned me in the debate. I am the man he mentioned that got a presidential pardon for a first time non violent drug offense. He did more than help, he engineered it, and worked tirelessly to do so. This is Rocky’s MO. He never gives up until he makes it happen.
Thanks Cory! People need to know this man talks the talk that he has walked the walk. Rocky is a long time activist…since his youth.
He “IS NOT” a life long politican as some have stated. He served 8 years as mayor and declined the 3rd term because he wanted to return to his human rights work.
Also Rocky served as President of the Utah chapter of ACLU before becoming mayor of SLC
I have never met anyone who is so dedicated to human rights and restoring the rule of law as Rocky has been.Since 2003 he has been very vocal about the invasion of Iraq and was the only one to testify before Congress in 2007 demanding Bush and Company be held accountable for illegal wars of aggression, torture and war crimes.
And his passion for the environment, as rated one of the top 20 climate activists in the world, has existed far longer than any New Green Deal offered by the Green Party. Rocky actually has already proven it when mayor of SLC by lower the carbon footprint below the suggested levels.
I can truly say this man is amazing.
It says allot when he is a Democratic mayor in one of the reddest states in the country.
exactly what does it say?
Sadly, voting for Jill (or Rocky, probably) is just voting for politics. Just hearing the word “Illinois” associated with her campaign, and playing games with the ballot, hating democracy and then talking about it in the debate like she invented it. It’s really too bad. How can you trust someone who hates having other people on the ballot to reverse NDAA or the Patriot Act.. etc. ? She would probably love to have that kind of power if she hates having a democratic election process and removes people from ballots.
I don’t quite catch the intent of this Robt Run . . . i think you’re putting words and meaning in her mouth.
I am not sure which comment you are reading. I am not putting any words in anyone’s mouth. I am pointing out the ugly, typical behavior of an arrogant politician who loves chicanery. So it’s really just more of what we already have.
I am not sure which comment you are referring to, but I am not putting words in anyone. I am just pointing out the ugly, typical behavior of a politician who wants to give us more of the same chicanery because due to her arrogant contempt for voters that she feels she needs to control or else she would not be messing with the ballots.
The Green Party for me has been a thorn in an otherwise principled effort… This makes me sad… I used to be a Green (a year or so), then became independent, because it was easeir for voting, then, in our rigged system as it is. I considered going back, but kept putting it off.. During THIS Election…
I became disappointed in the Greens when one of their people wrote a scathing, untrue report about Rocky Anderson, replete with lies I myself could identify, and so I searched out the situation more: reportedly the person wouldn’t “talk to Rocky Anderson” to straighten it out;
Then…a site was put up online stating that Rocky Anderson was “unethical” because he participated in the third-party effort, “Americans Elect” which purportedly was “corporate-funded”. However, one of the directors of Americans Elect clearly stated to me, in person, that their funding came from individuals and some were, admittedly “wealthy”, but they were strcitly individual donations. I see nothing “unethical” about Rocky gaining visibility through a fair effort made by Americans Elect.
I gradually became more interested in Rocky Anderson…and sought out info about the Justice Party.
THEN I saw stated several times on the Green website that they/their Stein Campaign was the “ONLY” party that “does not take corporate funding”. This is totally untrue. The Justice Party, co-founded by Rocky Anderson, does not take corporate funding; nor do other third parties. I am not sure re the Libertarian Party.
THEN I read in a circulated Stein-support letter…and on the Green website, their saying that they were the “ONLY” party that stood for Peace. This is preposterously untrue.
THEN, to top it all off: as I became more politically active, I was instrumental in organizing yet another Third Party debate/FORUM that was to be aired October 17th by LinkTV/ C-span and possibly other media including mainstream (if they dared!) – to be held at a well-known University in California… Everyone was excited about this… and it took me long enough to get the right sponsor for same. All we needed were confirmations from the candidates. A date was finally agreed to… Candidates and/or their Managers were, at the onset, very interested, Rocky Anderson and another – very enthusiastic. However, it all went down starting with Dr. Jill Stein:
Her Campaign would NOT (emphasized) participate if candidate Roseanne Barr was present. Roseanne Barr is a sharp witty lady appreciated by California–and she is very knowledgeable and insightful about politics. The party who nominated her, the Peace and Freedom Party, is also “very California”–it is mainly a (liberal) California party, an important, historic one, formed during the VietNam War to counter that horrendous war, and to stand strong for Civil Rights at the time and beyond. The party has morphed into being socialistic, but not government-ownership-of-everything type of socialism. It is a viable and very interesting party which has survived all this time. Though I wasn’t sure myself, the University wanted Roseanne Barr and the Peace & Freedom Party represented! Roseanne Barr was invited. (and we don’t “UNinvite”!)
Jill Stein would not cooperate…
Then, without naming names, another candidate would not participate if Jill Stein wasn’t there; and Rocky would participate if Jill Stein and/or Gary Johnson, Obama, or Romney were there (the “big two” were invited as well). At the last minute Gary Johnson could not participate, but it could have also been because Stein wouldn’t come….but they/ Johnson DID have a tight schedule & they warned us they might have to send their VP, granted. Anyway, it became a mess and a big headache for everyone.
If Stein had coooperated, this huge media effort–presidential Forum–would have been realized and the American People could have become even more informed!
We feel–and it can pretty well be deducted–that if Jill Stein had cooperated, this huge event with massive public audience (we had a big auditorium and even a university ampitheatre on hold for them) would have been made available to the American People. We feel that Jill Stein’s demand was prejudicial and a block to sharing all candidates with the American Public. And it was disrespectful of our efforts.
The Greens took A LOT of our time and were the most difficult party to work with… The other parties were a breeze compared… (except one didn’t return calls during an important time but finally did–oh well, that happens). As for Dr. Jill Stein:
Others got involved and pleaded with Dr. Stein in person, even, to participate; but she would not budge!! A professor friend who organized something for her said Stein also was “difficult” in this regard, so a planned debate was whittled down to a 20-min. speech by Jill Stein alone at a community college.
Yes, and there was Illinois, a Green trying to get Rocky off the ballot… and succeeded. The Greens claimed “ignorance” about that…who knows?
Unfortunately I simply don’t trust them or Dr. Jill Stein any longer, even though her platform looks very good. I do like their spirit in getting arrested and all that…but was that only a ploy to get media attention? Even if it was, I think it was great…
I believe Rocky Anderson has the experience to implement very similar ideas as the Greens’ ideas–and he has already made such ideas come to life, i.e., happen for real! Check out what he’s done – as well as what he’ll do: http://www.voteROCKY.org http://www.JusticePartyUSA.org
P.S.: I also think Virgil Goode and the Constitution Party are very interesting; and Gary Johnson, a bit too “Republicanish” but with liberal sparks, interesting too.
THANK YOU “Free and Equal” for the Debate! (Wish you’d maybe had Roseanne Barr too! but for California – Roseanne Barr was indeed appropriate!)
That would have been great fun to see Roseanne Barr in on the action! Perhaps this is the beginning of a Renaissance in US politics.
I am always worried when a person who was just a member of a mainstream party and can’t get nominated runs off and joins or forms another party. If elected, it’s like clockwork . . .they run back to their former party and efforts to build third party momentum in this nation come to a screeching halt once again.
If you are referring to Rocky Anderson, my sense is that he’ll never “run back” to the Dem Party unless it drastically changes back to a more liberal, compassionate party (as during the late Sen. McGovern effort).
Gary used to be republican before he lost all hope in the party
Am glad to hear he was disenchanted with Repubs! He’s got some very interesting ideas, and I’m glad he has some compassion and insigth and practicality re a number of issues including “wars of aggression” – indeed to be stopped!!!
Thanks for your information. Just from watching youtube and prior to reading your post above I thought that Rocky A, appealed most to me, because of his position and his excellent delivery of his ideas much of which, as you say, parallel the Green Party.
As for the choice of the Constitutional Amendment, I really would like both Rocky A’s Equal Rights as well as the Citizens United crap to be fixed.
Perhaps both belong to Equal Rights – because C. United makes individual citizens voting voice far less than equal.
There’s nothing wrong with American’s Elect, huh? http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/category/americanselect/
Even Rocky himself expressed concerns about their funding and transparency, but apparently joined anyways according to voterocky.org http://www.voterocky.org/why_americans_elect
I don’t see anything unethical about individuals making large contributions to the effort (unless it was dirty money!). The contributiions were not made to individual candidates. However, I think transparency would have possibly been better. On the other hand, if the candidates knew who gave money, there might have been a few candidates cozying up to the donors somehow… I don’t fault Rocky Anderson for participating – at least HE was transparent about it, and transparent about the lack of transparency!
Hey, I am FROM Utah and it’s no accident that Rocky Anderson is known out here as “Rocky J Flying Squirrel!”: we think he’s a “NUT!” As for Jill Stein of the Green Party, she’s an ECO-FREAK!
As a former astronomy major, Man-made Global Warming is simply a political excuse for the UN to seize global power and make serfs and slaves of us ALL!
The VAST majority of “climate change” is caused by the SUN, NOT by Man! CO2 is NOT a pollutant: plants need it to grow, as I learned in grade school science class; without it and plant based photosynthesis upon which it is based, CREATING oxygen, we’d ALL be STONE DEAD! It is the HEIGHT of ARROGANT HUBRIS to claim the man could cause ANY such MASSIVE “climate change” as they claim: EARTH IS JUST TOO FLAMING BIG! it’s like a dust mite claiming to control the path of a thrown baseball!
Yeah, all those thousands of scientists out there who are totally in a conspiracy to allow the UN to “seize power” and “make us slaves.” I see your former astronomy major and raise you a degree in marine biology: pollution is bad, dude. Ask the coral.
yea it turned me off when she said “STOP climate change”. how exactly does she intend to stop something that is natural and completely out of human control?
Perhaps the reaon you are a former astronomy major is because your ability to think critically is more suited to astrology. Your information is less than accurate and clearly shows your ability to think or to express yourself clearly.
Hey, I am FROM Utah as well… and I loved Rocky as my mayor and still do.
Anyways, I loved Rocky and Gary (and I liked listening to Virgil for his honesty!). I have my disagreements with both… Rocky, like the Green Party, isn’t quite ready to face realities of the budget. Gary is great, but not quite on par with my feelings about the environment, regulation, and the need to support equity and social mobility to preserve democracy.
I’m glad to see all four debate. I was even more glad to see them take on some real questions!
I really wanted to like Jill. I’m really close to her view point on a lot of issues, I want a female president, and she looks like my mom… that said, I don’t quite think it’s the presidents job to solve the issues they care about through subsidization. Yes, we do need to tackle education, healthcare, and the environment! Yes they can be investments that pay themselves off! But we need to be very cautious about handing out tax payer money to R&D purposes or education. It’s not the governments job to pick the winners by funding R&D and then handing over the products to corporations so they can patent them and make profits. Nor should the government be throwing money at “for profit” universities that purposely fail their students like Phoenix of Arizona.
I don’t need to know astronomy to know I cough in certain polluted regions… (and would rather not have that stuff making me cough)!
yeah both Jill and Rocky lost me when they started babbling about man made global warming – the earth has been cooling for the past 15 years but you don’t hear about that
and Virgil makes me cringe when he talks – plus he is a nut case – Johnson is getting this Paulbot’s vote
I’m not really aware of the Green-Justice Party dynamic, and can’t comment on that. I will comment on your concerns regarding Dr. Stein, though.
With great respect, though I don’t support Dr. Stein (I favour Mr. Johnson), she was a practising physician for years. Want to talk about making split-second, high-stakes decisions impacting people’s lives with no chance for a re-do and limited information? As a physician myself, I can vouch for the fact that working in a clinical role (as she has done) is excellent preparation for crisis-management and level-headed decision-making. I think she’s pretty strong on that point! As far as never being elected before, I think that’s irrelevant in her context. She built a successful career as an educated professional and teacher of Medicine. It’s not like she was sitting on her butt for a few decades. She was busy doing a real job in the real world, not showboating around promoting herself. I’m okay with her on both counts, though she won’t have my vote. Let’s get some real working professionals into government instead of a bunch of teleprompter-fed sock puppets!
@pyrofly:disqus Send us a link or a couple on this incredible claim! Where are YOUR sources?
I have posted them several places….
the full article is here: http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/04/ralph-nader-rocky-anderson-and-the-green-party-a-political-un-love-story/
For “Rocky Anderson’s” refutations to the article, check out the comment section of this web page.
Following his refutation, the author of the article refutes everything Rocky Anderson says, and nobody is able to refute the author on any of the points
Whether the rumor is true or not, the fact is Jill Stein is on the ballot in 48 states. As I’ve watched the two of them debate during the R.D. Har Har show I’ve thought that they could work well together; if she could win I would definitely want to see him in her administration.
As to balancing a budget, she’s been a working mom for decades, I’m sure she has the base principles.
Not been in office? That’s one of the best reasons to vote FOR her! The last thing this country needs is another professional politician… Besides, there’s been enough dicks in the White House already…
Ooops! It is my understanding that Jill Stein is on the ballot in 38 states. “Johnson” and the ‘Libertarian Party” is on the ballot in 48 states.
I stand corrected, it is 38 states.. http://www.jillstein.org/ballot
Rocky is on the ballot in many states and is an approved Write-In candidate in many others for a total, as of last night, of 35 states and he’s still in the filing process for Write-In status in a few more. Rocky Anderson has never said what you claim he said. He’s in the race until the end and would not accept a cabinet position, under the corporate administrations, if it were offered to him.
Agreed. Gary and Rocky are the two candidates who most closely conform to my political beliefs and I would love to see these two men debating on the 30th.
I agree, but I picked Gary and Jill. I think a better debate is made when the opponents have larger differences and I think they are more contrary.
Me, too! Plus they are both on the ballot in over 40 states…right?
Gary Johnson 48 States and District of Colombia, Write in option in Michigan
Virgil Goode, 26 States, 16 Write in option
Jill Stien, 37 States, 9 Write in option
Rocky Anderson, 16 states (?)
Rocky is on the ballot in 15 states and qualified as a write in candidate in 25 states.
Thank you, I was having an issue finding information on Rocky.
Johnson will be on the ballot in all 50
Hopefully. but at present, he’s on ballot in 48. He’s in litigation in Michigan and Oklahoma. The prospects of Oklahoma look grim, reading some news articles.
That’s why you should vote for Gary Johnson. He is the only one that has a chance in altering the election enough to make a third party viable in the future.
Just because someone is on more ballots is no reason to vote for them unless you support the libertarian platform of eliminating most government institutions–public school, public health, environmental laws, regulations on businesses/banks, most taxes, public works, aid to the poor.
Also they would eliminate “victimless crimes” and legalize prostitution.
I don’t think anyone would support Gary if they were fully aware of what he was representing : http://civilliberty.about.com/od/libertarianpolitics/qt/libert_platform.htm
We have a system of checks and balances. It is so unbalanced in the other direction that we need a movement like the Libertarian Platform to get the house back in order. The Federal Government is bloated and obese, Congress no exception. It is not just about the Executive Branch all the time and never should be.
Why did you leave out the write in option for Rocky Anderson. People in 40 states will be able to vote for Rocky.
Gary & Jill did have a head to head debate on the Independent Voter Network. http://ivn.us/ca-election-center/2012/10/11/ivn-us-to-host-first-online-presidential-debate/
I wasn’t aware of that. Can you provide a link? Pretty please?
Duh! I see it on your comment. Forgive me. I am suffering a lack of sleep. Blushing.
Are Jill and Rocky at all different? They seem to agree on everything!
We know for sure Rocky is a career politician. Thats scarey!
Rocky has been a mayor. Gary Johnson has been a governor. Virgil has been a representative and a legislator. That does not make them career politicians. Rocky has worked long and hard on human rights in his capacity as an attorney. He, like most of us, wants to see the country on an entirely different track. That does not make him a career politician. I admire these four for bucking the tide, in Rocky’s case at least, on a shoestring budget. We need to see a strong progressive field. For those with that frame of mind I suggest you vote Rocky. Through the GP Jill has enough exposure to rank in the first two.
I have done my own research before the debate was scheduled and was so impressed at what I found out about Virgil Goode and information of a relative that lives in his district and the possitive information they had for me was just so great, I just don’t believe we could have a better candidate for President!
Rocky has a long, distinguished career as an activist and 8 years as a mayor. A “career politician”, as in someone who is primarily concerned with gaining power for himself, doesn’t dump his lifelong party affiliation to run against an incumbent president referring to his former party as ” a gutless, unprincipled party, bought and paid for by the same interests that buy and pay for the Republican Party.”
Whats scarey you saying Rocky is a career politican, he is a career activist…since his college days. Only served 2 terms as mayor refused 3rd term to return to his activisism for Human Rights.
Need to form an united front.American left (not Democrats)needs unity of action now.
Yes. I’m glad you said that Kenny Moran. The Third Parties should form alliance and let their members vote for the presidential candidate selected from among them, (already done and debating), The top two selected and voted for by the members, should then win the election and assign top cabinet positions to the remaining third party campaigners.
Honor the Will of the People, in this case in the form of the members of the allied third parties…proceed accordingly.
That was my pick too! Jill was sincere, especially being a doctor for so long. Rocky was a deme and talked like he was a long term politician. Gary and Jill for sure!
I think Jill made herself look like an idiot when she said that as a medical official, marijuana is dangerous because it is illegal. WTF, really?!
Perhaps I didn’t hear the context of how she said it because I didn’t get to watch the debates, as I was at a family member’s house, but it looked facepalm worthy.
I understood her comment this way.
As a drug, marjuana is relatively safe and effective. As an illegal substance, it encourages criminality which in turn encourages an environment of violence. Law enforcement is obligated to arrest those who violate the law. Those who violate the law sometimes resort to violence.
Prohibition (of alcohol) resulted in all kinds of violence.
Beautifully explained Neil Johnson. Thank You.
She was implying that criminalizing marijuana is causing the problems. If it was legal, the demand wouldn’t need to be filled by drug cartels bringing it into the country and instituting a ring of crime in the process, for one thing. She is saying in and of itself, the drug isn’t dangerous enough to warrant it being illegal and there would be many fewer problems in relation if it was or at least it would be easier to monitor, tax, etc..
actually that was one of the few things she said that wasn’t facepalm worthy she just said it backward. It should have been: “Marijuana is not illegal because it’s dangerous; Marijuana is dangerous because it’s illegal.”
Rocky is on the ballot in 2 states, and he doesn’t want to be president– he says his strategy was to get votes and then drop out at the last minute taking a executive appointment… not likely though with only 2 states having him on the ballot. Also his platform is a mirror of the green party’s, represented by Jill Stein.
Rocky’s on the ballot in 15 states and write-in eligible in 23 states and D.C., last I checked. I was personally involved in his successful ballot access campaign in Michigan. Pretty weak lie, pyrofly, considering how easy it is to look up ballots in advance.
hah, sorry actually last I checked it was two. actually an honest mistake dude but yeah all the same… that isn’t the actual point. the point is his strategy isn’t to be president, but to have an executive appointment
but thanks for accusing me of lying, which is a deliberate attempt to deceive… something that some people would say Rocky is doing. Though some of those people would also say Jill was lying with her points about 90 million voters voting with their feet against obama and romney
@pyrofly:disqus: I apologize for accusing you of lying. At the time, it seemed more like a deliberate mislead than a mistake. I definitely jumped to an unfair conclusion there.
no problem thank you as well for pointing out my mistakes
What a crock! Why would you be spewing this misinformation?
because that’s what he said…? http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/04/ralph-nader-rocky-anderson-and-the-green-party-a-political-un-love-story/
“According to Jill Stein, her campaign held several conference calls with Anderson and his staff in September and October of 2011, exploring grounds for unified action. The main message from the Anderson camp was a desire to conduct a hedged, safe-states campaign that would surge at the polls and then drop out at the last minute in exchange for a cabinet appointment.
Michael McGee [Anderson's campaign manager] confirms both that these conversations took place and that his party’s strategy does target the plums of high-profile government jobs.”
That may have been something that they discussed a year ago. That doesn’t make it true today.
True, that also doesn’t make it not true…? What is your point?
As Rocky’s social media team member, I can tell you this is not true. Michael McGee is not Anderson’s campaign manager, and Rocky has nothing to do with this crazy plan. Rocky is the real deal.
Ah, you are right. McGee is on the Anderson campaign’s steering committee and is the co-chair of the Justice Party’s National Steering Committee. If you want more information, you can read the comments at this website: http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2012/04/24/ralph-nader-rocky-anderson-jill-stein/
I was on the Executive Committee of the Justice party when this whole issue was first brought up by the Green Party. Michael was not speaking for anyone other than Michael. He was referring to an idea he had tossed out which Rocky had shot down. Michael was never involved in Rocky’s campaign which is NOT run by the JUstice Party. Michael is a former Green Party member and claiming he was Rocky’s campaign manager is about as false as saying he was Jill Stein’s campaign manager. NOT TRUE ANY OF IT.
Ewww! Yuck! Definately not voting for him!
Ewww! Definately not voting for him! Yuck!
Ewww! Definately not voting for him!
This distortion of the truth was knocked down months ago yet Greens keep spewing this misinformation. Michael McGee was not speaking on behalf of Rocky or the campaign. He was speaking his own ideas which Rocky did not agree with.
Can you cite a source where Michael McGee confirms this?
Excerpt from Mr. Anderson’s reply:
>”It has never been our strategy to seek positions in government with any
other party. That may be Mr. McGee’s approach, but it certainly is not
mine or the Justice Party’s. Also, we’ve never adopted anything close
to a safe-state strategy. I’d be surprised if Mr. McGee said anything
like that – but I wouldn’t be surprised, given Kaufman’s approach to the
rest of this, if he simply made that up too.
There is so much else in Kaufman’s piece to which I’d like to respond,
but I think the reader likely gets my point. When people like this
mislead and attack, it reflects poorly not only on their own integrity,
but also on the party and candidate they support.”
if you continue reading, you will find Kaufman, the author of the article, refutes Mr. Anderson’s reply that you listed. If you read the rest of the comment section you will see that neither “Mr. Anderson” nor any of his supporters are able to refute the author’s refutation of the claim you quoted.
where are you getting this information? Not correct!
Actually Rocky should be on more ballots because of getting the required petition signatures but was challenged and that costs money. But as a total there are 40 states you can vote for Rocky because electors have been secure for write in voting. This is great for a party founded in Dec. 2011. http://www.voterocky.org/guide?utm_campaign=howandwhy&recruiter_id=48028&utm_medium=email&utm_source=voterocky
Rocky has never said he would drop out and seek a Cabinet position. Rocky is qualified as a write-in candidate in many more states, including Texas, where I live. Those who base their vote on who has the best chance to win are engaging in another form of “Lesser of two evils” strategic voting rather than on voting your conscience or who has the best solutions for our nation.
I’m not saying people should do that. I’m just exposing what I see to be a deceitful act by the Anderson campaign.
LOL. A cabinet appointment? Seriously? I guess that’s why he said of the Dems ” It is a gutless, unprincipled party, bought and paid for by the same interests that buy and pay for the Republican Party.”
You can write people in on any ballot. I think Gary Johnson would beat Jill Stein on a landslide. Rocky Anderson is more articulate. I admire Jill’s intelligence and passion though. I think it would be interesting to hear her thoughts on foreign policy, but a great debate would be between Anderson and Johnson.
I choose Virgil Goode because he is a straight shooter and a good plan and has a moral base to stand on also, I believe he would be good for this country!
I don’t think you understand Rocky’s positions if you can say that with a straight face. Rocky and Stein both hold intellectually bankrupt positions on most issues. They are both trying to hand out “Free Lunches”, and anyone with even basic economic education knows there is no such thing. Beware anyone claiming justice social, political, economic or otherwise.
I agree. These two would be so wonderful to watch in a debate. I think Jill and her views rubbed me the wrong way. Nonetheless I am glad to see another third party. Anything to break the two party system.
I want to see Jill Stein & Gary Johnson because they are candidates who are on the ballot in enough states to actually, mathematically win!
i was with gary all the way untill he said he would let immigrants in our country on work visas,,,we cannot afford to place people from other countries with jobs, when we the citizens don’t have enough jobs for our own counrty….
I think the real issue is not having the skills for the jobs right now. Not all of these job losses are service type jobs, many of these working visas are for research, medicine, and corporate. It’s not the immigrants fault that they are qualified to fulfill these positions. I am no convinced we should be blocking them from entering our country while we wait for our folks to gain the skills, this would further impede growth and development
1) there is no shortage of trained current citizens (the only evidence of this ‘shortage’ comes from business surveys).
2) if there actually was, the answer is to train current, unemployed citizens via a cogent jobs program.
its fascinating when free market fundamentalists want to bend over backwards to fill jobs ‘americans don’t want’. by market logic, if the labor force rejects the job, the job shouldn’t exist. importing low wage workers will only exacerbate the race to the bottom.
apparently libertarians are not familiar with the 19th urban america they seem to want back.
No, the issue is that a legal worker demands a higher pay than a illegal worker. Where I’m at, roofers 15 years ago made more than roofers do today. Roofers 15 years ago spoke english, today they don’t.
that is a case in point; i would guess many roofing companies would say “i can’t afford to pay what the legal worker is demanding”. cracking down on illegal roofers would either lead to more expensive roofs or a better use of technology to lower cost with respect ot labor input.
allowing low wage workers to flood the country, as gary johnson would do, is a race to the bottom: the tendency to retain low wage, bad jobs that should be replaced with current technology. in a global, free trade scenario, the time of all boats being lifted is put off for many years.
as a nation, we can make the choice, as we did in the 1940s, to replace low-tech, low wage jobs with higher tech, higher value added jobs (esp. manufacturing) and make as many arguably bad jobs go away.
the issue is, can we employ everyone else? if so what in?
research seems to be the logical place to employ as many people as possible. some will likely say, how can afford tis?
if we look at the very large part of the labor force in Finance, Insurance and Real Estate, who are adding no value, simply moving money about in the closed loop gary mentioned, we can easly imagine all these people, and more, in medical, tech, and whatever you can think of research.
Well, another issue is immigrants working without visas… meaning they work for lesser pay/ no benefits. This prevents the hiring of American citizens as well
He is obviously referring to Mexican citizens. This debate is always about them whether that is specifically stated or not. The truth is that citizens of the US will not work for $8.00 per hour. Not in the welfare state. There is a disease of entitlement that prevents people from working. Why work when you can watch TV in your section 8 apartment while eating potato chips purchased with food stamps? Where is the incentive of the individual to work? Who knows, maybe even learn a skill and start your own business. The construction industry would come to a halt if we “shipped illegals home”. This is their home now. We should at least pretend to care about them. We should at least document them and remove the threat of deportation. The worst thing we could ever do in the future is grant them amnesty so that they can join our fellow countrymen in the food stamp line. Hunger is a great motivator to work. If you don’t work, you don’t eat.
Immigration and outsourcing are not harmful to domestic jobs, so long as there are no government policies restricting jobs (which there are). The government destroys jobs and then places the blame, wrongly, on immigrants and foreign workers.
Rocky Anderson can mathematically win also. The states where he is listed on the ballot plus the states where write in votes for Rocky will count, give him enough electoral votes to win.
Of all the candidates Rocky Anderson and Gary Johnson were the most articulate. I would love to see them debate.
Agree. I thought I liked Jill Stein until I actually heard her speak. What a moonbat. Free higher education would be a great thing if you can suggest some way of paying for it.
I maybe for Obama,but I voted for them too. I watched the debate and came to conclusion that Gary Johnson is Ron Paul on steroids. Ron Paul is obi-wan kenobi and gary johnson represents luke skywalker, the man who destroyed the death star.
I didn’t even know about Rocky Anderson until the debate, but I was very impressed. Both he and Johnson did great jobs.
Is it possible to see the results?
I think they’ll post them tomorrow after the survey closes.
GARY JOHNSON ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was between Stein and Johnson going in, but Stein came off really weak and didn’t put forth as many solid ideas. Glad Rocky Anderson was present as I did not know about him and quite liked many of his policies. Virgil Goode seemed like a Republican.
check out http://www.voterocky.org Rocky is very consistent in his fight for our rights.
I have worked with Rocky on ending the wars,impeachment, torture, global warming and numerous other issues for a number of years, and I can tell you he is the real deal. Go to wikipedia and read what he accomplished as mayor of Salt Lake City.
rocky brought salt lake out of the stone ages. i agree joanne
Rocky had absolutely nothing to do with the advancment of Utah, in fact if it wasnt for him holding Salt Lake back it would be way further advanced now.
Rocky was a horrible mayor I had the misfortune of having to put up with him. If you support Rocky you support opeing our boarders and letting all illegal immigrants in, you support a person who did everything he could do to pull money from education, you support someone who changes his stance on items to what his biggest donors want him to support. In other words you support the only candidate worse than Obama
“only candidate worse than Obama” That would be Romney.
I am not a Romney supporter but he would be 1000 times better than Obama (not that it would be hard to be better than Obama considering he is the worst thing ever to happen to America) Obama didnt live up to any promises he made his first four years, when they ran the fact finder after his three debates over 70% of what Obama said was false and less than 10% of what Romeny said was false. So I guess your right if you like people lik eObama who flat out lie every time they open there mouths and cant live up to a single promise they make then I could see why you would think Obama was better
holy moly, really? Romney changes his position within the same 10 minutes!!! Last night during the debates, he stated we can’t kill our way out of wars and then 10 minutes later stated we need to kill them…!!!! Seriously, check the transcripts if they are posted. I heard him do it. lol
Those stats are not my stats it is what was reported after the fact checks were complete after the three debates were finished.
And Virgil Goode
Sorry patriot, you must hold that feeling by yourself. I was in Salt Lake City for six weeks during the summer. Everywhere I went I heard people praising Rocky Anderson as one of their best mayors. Oh, and your assertions of Rocky patronizing his biggest donors falls on deaf ears. He is one of the few presidential candidates that limited campaign contributions to $100 per person ($2400 for ballot access) and took not a dime from corporations. You cannot buy Rocky Anderson!
yep. virgil sounds like every other republican I have ever heard. NOT!!!!!!!!!!
Goode does seem like a Republican, but to his credit, he’s what Republicans used to be – which is better than Romney and all the other Neo-Cons running around pretending to be conservative.
I agree exactly! I was torn between Johnson and Stein but now am favoring Johnson and Anderson. I still like some of Stein’s ideas but she did not convince me tonight that she is the best choice. I was not aware of Rocky Anderson before this debate but found myself in almost total agreement with him.
I agree with your view on Virgil. I actually liked Rocky as well and knew nothing about him. Johnson and Stein were my favorites.
I noted that about Stein myself. Though she’s courageous no doubt in her attempt to crash the debates ( and getting arrested for it) I did notice that there where times where she was just throwing out euphamisms and sentimentality. Actually she seemed a bit non descript about some things like any amendment she’d like to make (which amounted to restricting Corporate involvement in politics, essentially along a similar vein as Goode’s policies on PACs).
Rocky had policies that where practically indistinct from Jill’s (if more concise). I really think that next time around Justice should merge with the Greens, because those two seemed almost like conjoined twins.
Goode indeed seems like a republican, though a very old fashioned sort. I would expect to see someone like him running during the 20s.
SO far, Johnson is the only one I see who really has the ferocity and the drive (and the votes) to get us out of this mess we’re in. Yes, Rocky and Jill make good points about an educated society (although academia is quite overrated, and Johnson was right that not only does it raise the expectations of employers, but it also is close to impossible in the short term at least, since we are so far in debt right now it will take a few decades perhaps until the mess is cleaned.
Dr. Stein’s platform is spelled out in far greater detail on her website http://www.jillstein.org
Rocky /is/ the justice party, there is no justice party besides Rocky. He wants to get an executive appointment by taking up votes, then dropping out for an appointment. At least, that’s what he says his strategy is..
Virgil Goode!!! For AMERICA!!!
watching from Australia! What a fine example of a Free and Equal debate. I would vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein in a heartbeat. One only hopes that America can turn itself around not just for its own sake but for the sake of all of us around the world.
Amen to that! Maybe one day we will have sense in this country not to vote for the tyrants! LIve Free!
Gary Johnson and rocky or Gary Johnson and Joel definatly I think that if Virgil wants third party voters he might as well get behind legalization and serious defense budget cuts and he’s not very presidential sorry…
Jill not Joel sorry misstype
The real question is, “How can a party that touts the Constitution as the Law of the Land” be for *Federal* criminalization of drugs? There is no Constitutional ammendment giving the Feds any authority in the matter what-so-ever.
Jill getting zip-tied to a chair for 8 hours is BS.. I freaking hate that kind of crap.
I don’t like it either. They should have just asked her to leave. Was she charged with anything?
They did ask her to leave and she/her vp would not leave. I have to give her and the vp credit for standing up for what they believe in. You can see it on youtube
It was good publicity.
Thank You for giving my husband & I the opportunity to hear what the other candidates had to say. I no longer feel cheated and hopeless for our 2012 election. Gary Johnson for President!!!
Good job Docktor =)
Still like to know how Stein’s going to pay for her green deal and free education for everyone with the growing $16 trillion dollar debt. I liked Gary’s debate performance.
with her vagina retard
Does this really need to idiotic, like the rest of the political blogs?
I hear there are big advances in the money printing from vaginas?
Who’s going to pay the $16 trillion dollar debt if we’re all to broke and dumb to create new income streams that the government will collect tax on? Ireland became the Celtic Tiger by using tax dollars to give its people good, free education.
and now ireland is flat broke with no economy and a financial crisis…worked great, you’re right!
Their economy has always been on edge – apples to oranges. Our debt is from two things: the worst recession since the 1930′s and two wars on a credit card – worse, paid for with a tax cut.
Because they bought into austerity measures and the free market…
We the people didn’t make the debt. Let the ones that made the debt pay it.
This is the biggest reason I like having term limits. They stay in office so long they think they can do whatever they want. They don’t care about the people anymore. Did we want this debt? Were we asked about it before they did it? We are supposed to be telling them what to do, not them telling us. Get rid of every one of them in office and when the new comes in demand term limits. The ones that don’t agree, vote them out the next term. Get the right people in office so we can get our country and our Republic back.
Think she more than implied that she would wack at the defense budget and push green energy so that at some point we don’t need to fight oil wars. She would have to raise taxes but we would be getting something tangible for our money and at the same time not be out of pocket for college education. This sort of investment in the country would raise our real standard of living and better tap the brain power of our youth.
In my mind, Gary is too willing to let the chips fall (dropouts, prisoners, etc.) where they may on an individual basis instead of taking an inclusive community approach such as Jill’s. I think that Gary puts more trust in capitalism than in democracy – guess that I’m the opposite. I think that his privatizations of public functions schools/prisons merely trade gov’t control for non-democratic corporate control.
I agree. I want them both to talk about the UN, Agenda 21, Privatizing Prisons, Public Private Partnership, and what they plan on doing about all the illegal Executive Orders especially those regarding help for our military personnel that are struggling to get the health care they so desperately need when they get home. AND if either are willing to take the same stance Iceland did and get our economy back.
If he legalizes cannabis, that would cut down a lot of the need for the prisons.On health care, if they aren’t going to do it for everyone in the country they need to get rid of it. Why should 310 million be paying for the health care for only 20 million. Gary wants to do away with the IRS but he is going to tax us another way. I forget how much he said but it’s a good amount and if added to sales tax, we already pay 9.125% in Tennessee. Some states are higher. If it’s going to be a part of our sales tax, it’s going to hurt but I liked everything else Gary had to say.
If we had Medicare 4 All we wouldn’t have to worry about the vets getting proper healthcare. Our current healthcare system costs us between 31 – 33 % where Medicare 4 All would costs approximately 3.5 – 5%……just think of what we could do with the money we would save . Maybe provide better education.
If we would provide educations the recipients could be required to give back 2 years in a Peace Corp type effort but here in the states. There are solutions to the problems just need to get the corporations out of the pictures.
Rocky has been calling for accountability for years. He was the only one who testified in front of Congress demanding Bush and Co be held accountable for illegal wars of aggression, war crimes and torture. He stated very clearly of returning to the rule of law.
I agree not only would the single-payer health care system help vets but if set up correctly we would decrease the need for pharmaceutical drugs because our health care preventative check up from childhood into golden years would keep us in line with our health. Many poor and uninsured are at high risk for many diseases and illnesses in which will have higher health care cost because of the lack of preventative care.
Great points, Lance! Let’s go “Icelandic” (or “beserk” as the Vikings used to say…) on Wall Street banksters!
please indulge me of your knowledge of Agenda 21. as a city planner, i find that ppl misinterpret it and use it as an argument to oppose mixed-use development and any kind of transportation other than automobile.
You raise some valid points, and while I praise Jill for her progressive ideas, I don’t think it’s fair to increase taxes to implement “free” higher education. Not everyone paying the extra tax will want to get a higher education. It would be unfair to charge the public this tax when our society partially relies on people to hold jobs that don’t require degrees. We don’t need to pay a tax to fund hundreds of thousands of over-qualified waiters, road workers, clerks, etc.
Not everyone uses the public school system, yet we all pay in. We all pay in to the taxes and we all benefit from certain programs that those taxes fund.
we also all pay for wars, whether we stand behind them or not.
That doesn’t justify adding something else that taxpayers have to pay for.
Rhett, I agree that she was pretty clear about it. I think she has mentioned a 30% cut in defense spending with an increase in taxes. I think she has started on the right track, but I tend to agree more with Johnson.
Johnson does take a more free market approach but he is more of a spending hawk than Stein so this drives a lot of what he does. Privatization of schools (some prisons already are) allow competition if done correctly.
The issue of school loans is one that is missed on Stein. Government backed school loans allow schools to continually raise tuition without any fear of pricing themselves out of the market. Right now, there is a real risk of these loans coming to default in a housing market type meltdown. There are a lot of people out there making the argument that many of the degrees being offered from schools are not worth the price. STEM related degrees tend to pay-off, but all the others are a waste of money at current tuition levels. I would argue for the backing of loans for STEM related degrees only.
Privatization of prisons is (and was) a HORRIBLE idea. It’s just one reason that the war on drugs continues. The goal of any business is GROWTH. Why on earth would we want our prisons to grow? You did hear the statistics given by the candidates regarding how the US holds the highest percentage of individuals in prison compared to the rest of the world? Privatizing prisons, wars and health care is really a bad idea. These industries all profit off of the world’s misery.
And Jill did not ‘miss’ the issue of school loans. She surpassed it.
I think it’s important to note that Dr. Stein doesn’t intend to raise taxes on the middle class so much as on the upper classes who have been benefitting from cuts and handouts for a long time. Also, there’s money to be retrieved from government subsidies of corporate agriculture (Monsanto), and the oil industry, and other industries and corporations who have een benefitting from tax cuts and handouts (even while outsourcing to China), etc. In fact, there’s a LOT of money in there.
Agreed. The tax loopholes are theirs.
I would not be in favor of government subsidizing college educations. From the viewpoint of improving the economy, investing in free college educations has a very poor return. Having gone to college, dropped out before getting my degree, and then completed a technical school instead, I can say with confidence that about 80% of what you learn in college is not applicable to your career. I was much better prepared for my profession after leaving tech school than I would have been if I continued with college and relied solely on my degree.
If government did subsidize continued education for the sake of improving the economy, the money would be much better spent on technical/vocational training. The cost is less, the time for completion is less, and the applicable knowlege gained is more than a college education.
As a final comment, I would like to thank all the people that put together this debate for letting differing viewpoints have a voice in front of the American people, or at least those of them concerned enough of to tune in.
Don’t you mean communism approach? Clearly, that’s what her views are.
As she made clear, providing higher education pays off. More people would be able to go to college, get better jobs, and pay the government back in tax money. Additionally, costs wouldn’t be so outrageous and colleges would become non-profit institutions.
Not so fast. Just how can everyone get ‘better jobs?’ The fact is that we only need a certain percentage of the population in management, and a certain percentage in research. Trash needs to be collected, manual labor needs to be done, and we can’t all manage and supervise. Janitors with PhDs are not more productive than janitors without PhDs, nor do they produce more tax revenue.
who says better jobs have to be in management, better jobs can still be collecting trash; just with workers rights protected, fair wages, etc
I agree to a point. Going in debt for a degree in University Studies shouldn’t be backed by the government. I’ll pay into a system that is pumping out engineers and doctors, not fashion designers and hotel managers.
Soooo. You are all the same folks who don’t like the “government picking winners and losers in business”, but you are ok with them picking winners and losers for individuals and their career choices? Yay, Liberty… lol
LOL! It’s a matter of my money being wasted, and that’s so funny!!!! HAHAHAHA!
Debbie, it’s sooooooo not the same thing. Obviously you’re not aware of the increasing default rate on a lot of these loans. The fashion designers aren’t as capable of earners as mechanical engineers are. When it comes to paying back their debt, one group is less capable then the other, can you guess which one?
I think everybody should have a choice in what they study but they need to be prepared for the responsibility that comes with the debt and the CONSEQUENCES of what they decide to do. These loans are a scam for the most part and the taxpayer is on the hook for bad decisions.
No, if you take government funds out of higher education (the true “Yay, Liberty” position), then the government is not picking winners and losers for individuals in their career choices. I think privately-funded scholarships are the merit-based way to see that smart kids of lesser financial means get a good education. And the lack of government-subsidized loans will halt the skyrocketing tuition cost increases. No more jungle-themed rec centers at taxpayer-funded state schools ( http://arbiteronline.com/2005/08/29/college-rec-centers-resemble-playgrounds/ ) but also no more art history majors with $100k in student loans and no chance for a job that pays enough to make a dent in that debt.
You’ll need to look up the NEED Act and know a bit about monetary reform and debt deflation. You can google the NEED Act. Debt deflation is the fact that with the 2008 crisis, the private sector is paying off and defaulting on debt. It’s rising no matter who says balanced budget. With jobs (Stein’s Green New Deal) people would have jobs and money to spend. Putting people back to work, stemming the foreclosure tide, erasing the shadow inventory through principal reductions and workouts, raising taxes on the .01% and reducing military spending. And she explains how singlepayer medicare for all will stem the tide of doctors leaving practice without bailing out big pharma and the insurers. jillstein.org Oh and Wall Street may have to cough up the cash as well in a Stein administration.
check out her website, its all listed in great detail
Hi Josh, what I heard her say was that the New Green Deal would pay for itself by creating 25 million jobs and thus reducing our payments of unemployment tax and eventually our ability to stop waging costly wars in search of oil . . . and the past history of public education going all the way through college has been shown to pay for itself 6 times over in economic activity…including the tax dollars generated by it to pay for itself. Hope that helps to clarify, at least that’s what I heard her say.
I’m a Green, and I’d also like to hear how she’d pay for it- while I agree that higher education is a good thing to invest in, I do also believe that a University that is guaranteed enrollment no matter the price charged will raise prices as high as it likes. Our higher ed. system has become an industrial complex, and feeding it with money no-strings-attached is just as much crony capitalism as are the other types of corporate welfare that we Greens should be against. I think Jill would benefit from a position that supports higher ed, but also addresses the reasons for rising costs and doesn’t give us a bubble of Philosophy majors when we need engineers.
If you want the market approach, refer to the Keynesian model. It worked in the 1940s, and it works in business as well.
One way to expand a business is to borrow money, expand, then pay back the loan. In the process money is created and destroyed. This is how the banking business works.
In 1940s defense spending, a large amount of money was created, plant and equipment was created to make planes, ships, tanks etc., which was then used to make cars, fridges etc. after the war.
The principal is the same: create money and use it to expand the economy. As the economy expands, the apparent debt shrinks relatively, and if the people wish, can be paid off.
It has become obvious (to many) that a capitalist system cannot function well without a spender of last resort. The austerity in Europe once again proves this. Capitalists, left to their own devices, through no fault of their own, will inevitably destroy themselves (and us along with them). One can’t blame them anymore than you can blame a carnivore that eats a cute baby herbivore.
It is up to the people to address the shortfall of the private sector: it’s cyclicity. When the private sector constracts we need a job program to employ the slack.
For more see New Economic Prospectives (a heterodox econ blog).
We have a printing press. We can’t be Ireland or Greece. As long as we expand the level of goods and services alongside the money supply (as we did in the 1940s and into the 1950s) we won’t have significant inflation.
Gary Johnson gets my vote.
Sonya, what impressed you the most about her?
JOHNSON vs ANDERSON! Let’s hear two sides of the economic spectrum with two people who can actually debate! STEIN WAS UNIMPRESSIVE!
You’ve got a point there. However I suspect it will be Johnson and Stein.
I really liked what Rocky Anderson had to say.. my vote is for him
I disagree…I think Jill Stein did a very good job presenting her case.
Get out in your local area and neighborhoods and tell people about your candidate. I am telling everyone I can about Gary Johnson in Huntington Beach. Grassroots baby! Check out my pictures on FB and share to help spread the word.
Good for you, Julia! I’m doing the same thing…only for Jill Stein!…but good luck to you and Gary Johnson!
Jill Stein and Gary Johnson
If any of you are the person on Yahoo Answers who gave a link to the debate before your post got deleted, thank you…at least one person caught it and was able to pass it along to a few others.
where can we re-watch it?
CSPAN has a video library
I just watched it a second time on c-span.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EcaX12h46k The first hour is commentary and interviews. The second hour is the debate.
They all did well and I think instead they should all advance. Then after the next debate hold an IRV with all four and include Obama & Romney. This way we would get the full effect of the simulation.
Obama & Romney was asked to join this debate but was too afraid to do so
I love that idea of another vote after the second debate!
Keep the topic going for any of these candidates.
Dr. Jill Stein is definitely the one I agree with most, but Governor Gary Johnson was awesome! I’d like to see a final debate between him and Dr. Stein.
What is it about Dr.Stein that appeals to you?
An extreme focus on global warming and the environment in general, and her extreme devotion to education that will help us compete in the scientific and technological community across the world.
- Investment in education that would raise our standard of living
- Mitigation of global warming via green energy and green jobs
- Eventually no more oil wars (I’m very sick of seeing our best and bravest wasted in the sand box.)
- Power of community versus everyone for themselves – you can get pure greed and self interest in mainstream politics.
If you have no GREED you have no motivation ! Might just as well get an Obamaphone .
community is Socialism !
I’m suspecting you’re going to get exactly that. Of the four candidates in tonight’s debate Johnson and Stein appear on more states’ ballots than the other two. Goode and Anderson aren’t even on the ballot in my state. Judging just by the audience applause and signs at the debate I think the Green and Libertarian candidates are a lock for Tuesday’s debate.
Gary Johnson is where it’s at
How are these 4 candidates chosen out of all the different non double party candidates, curious. There is probably a link on the website that describes it.. someone post it because i have not found it yet. what a great thing. I can’t believe i saw a real debate:
The Constitution Party selected former US Congressman Virgil Goode as its Presidential candidate at a Constitution Party conference meeting. Visit http://www.constitutionparty.com/ Of the different candidates seeking the Constitution Party Presidential nomination, he received the most votes. I think he also had the most public office experience of those candidates too. He served in the US Congress as a representative from Virginia for many years.
That is interesting about the Constitution Party. If anyone knows how these candidates are chosen for these debates, I am curious about that. There are so many parties, i am wondering how they choose these 4. Thanks.
These were the candidates who are listed on the ballots of enough states to win the electoral college votes. In other words, if everyone knew about them, they would have an equal chance to win the election as Romney or Obama. The other parties were not listed on the ballots of enough states to win, and so were not invited.
nice, thank you
Gary Johnson!! Virgil is an idiot, he needs to just give up
He is without a doubt a better man than you.
Gary Johnson rocks!
excellent job Christina!
I vote for Gary Johnson in the Debate on October 30th.
I’m a Gary Johnson guy. Of the progressive candidates, I thought Rocky Anderson was loads better.
Stein and Johnson
So all the candidates have had a chance to speak. There is only one clear choice here folks. Vote up! Vote Gary Johnson!
Jill Stein & Gary Johnson. I could sleep easier knowing one of those two made office.
Gary Johnson won, but Jill Stein in my view did an excellent job and she could stand up to Hillary Clinton
Johnson vs. Anderson is the only debate that would be taken seriously. They are the only presidential candidates. Jill Stein is a nut and Virgil, while endearing and candid, is not presidential either.
What makes Jill a nut?
Gary Johnson #1, Rocky Anderson #2
I heard more actual debate tonight about real topics than all the other debates combined. We need more of this. Well done.
Yes, they actually answered the questions. We know where they stand.
I didn’t even BOTHER with the regular debates! I made a point of boycotting that bs for their refusal to listen to my pleads on the matter.
Same here, fellow citizen. Same here.
So right…me too
Same here I saw no reason to watch the Obamney clown show knowing it’s all so damn fake anyway.
I call it the “R.D. Har Har Show”
I did not watch the other debates either, don’t like either one!
As did I. Did not watch any of the Debacles because they were a waste of time and an insult to my intelligence. I wish people would wake up and realize that they are pulling the wool over our eyes. It’s time for the TRUTH and Robamney are not giving us that courtesy. Time to expose the Dems & GOP for the frauds they are and get a real man in office, Gary Johnson!
I did watch some of the Lame Stream Debates, just so I would know what idiocy they were espousing and be able to show the differences in the Dem/Rep BS to the 3rd party logic!
They brought it! They definitely brought it! They talked about the corporate welfare, the NDAA, the totalitarianism, the tyranny, our abused and polluted environment, the rouge industrial congressional military complex “winning hearts and minds” through brutality and force, our neglected students – our most prized asset! We need a real president! We need our Country back. We the People have the power. We are the leaders. Lets lead!
I chuckled over your mispelling; the “red” industrial congressional military complex. Or was that an intended pun? I think you meant “rogue.”
I saw that too. My guess is that it’s merely a typo.
It works either way….
Send ALL FOUR Candidates to the 2nd debate.
ALL FOUR Candidates have insights and ideas to share that our nation can learn from.
1). Virgil Goode. It was extremely refreshing to observe a politician who is not willing to lie in your face just to try to garner a vote.
2). Rocky Anderson
3). Dr. Jill Stein
4). Gary Johnson.
Again, ALL FOUR candidates have valuable contributions to add to the debate
You misspelled the word misspelled you dolt!
~Amen to that ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this is how it should be !
BALL2012.net is also a player in these debates. Dennis Andrew Ball is a viable candidate to become the 45th President of the United States!
Jeff, you said a mouth full!
Absolutely correct, I loved it. Whether you agree or disagree; you got a straight answer, and that is something that I respect. Great debate by all four.
Soooo much better than the ridiculous peacock show that we have been given lately!! Thanks to you and Al Jazeera English for giving these candidates a platform to be heard. Such a shame that American media outlets don’t have the balls to do the same. Down with the 2 party dictatorship!!
Johnson and Stein!
Johnson/Gray 2012. LiveFree.
Gary Johnson (and Jill Stein)
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I love Jill Stein as a person and Rocky seems like a great guy but they just don’t understand basic economics. Jill’s entire platform is free education which sounds nice and will probably grab some votes.
Virgil Goode’s alright, I guess. I don’t like his voice and he wouldn’t cut military spending so I wouldn’t pick him. I’m pretty much in love with Johnson.
I think you are wrong about Rocky, check out his plan on http://www.voterocky.org Everything he says makes sense.
Gotta point out that Goode said he WOULD cut the military. He also said that, absent a Congressional declaration of War. he’d bring all troops home.
Gary Johnson with Ron Paul as VP!
We have a vp candidate and that is judge gray. Ron Paul can work as sec of defence when GJ wins! Live free!
1. Rocky Anderson; 2. Jill Stein; 3. Gary Johnson; 4. Virgil Goode
I was originally Virgil Goode, but after the debate Gary Johnson sold me.
Of course he did, because GJ rocks!
#1 Gary Johnson
#2 Jill Stein
#3 Rocky Anderson
#4 Virgil Goode
Im still undecided between Johnson and Stein. But im absolutely thrilled to have real candidates who care about the people and who dont have their corporate sponsers at heart. I wasnt going to vote at all so i didnt contribute to whats wrong with this countru now i have a choice to vote for someone i believe in.
VOTE FOR JOHNSON!!!
I voted for Gary Johnson on the first day of early voting. He is the only principled candidate in the race for president. Bar none.
I say vote for Stein, she has a job plan and elevates society instead of letting the free market rule, which seems to be Johnson’s plan.
Agree, I think Johnson favors capitalism over democracy. His privatization of schools/prisons takes from the Gov’t and gives control to non-democratic corporations. It becomes very hard to get people an even shake when the Gov’t has very little influence. An even shake is what I want from Gov’t.
Free markets are voluntary and therefore mutually beneficial exchanges. Power is given by consumers and can be withdrawn by them at any time. Government is power by force. Power corrupts. Is it any surprise that Big Government is easily corrupted by Big Business? Privatization actually introduces CHOICE if done properly. The primary role of government should be to protect people and their property from each other, not from themselves. That is to provide justice as it relates to aggression, theft, fraud, and yes pollution (based on property rights).
Don’t fear a REAL free market. What we have now is one run by banksters.
If I had to vote for a socialist I would definitely vote for her, since her goals are noble. The thing though is that there is nothing left to redistribute.
Plus, the Green revolution is taking off on it’s own New Deal or no, there are many companies that are sprouting up selling things like little vawts and stuff.
I am sure there will also be an increasing interest in hydrogen (created with the aid of wind or solar). A hydrogen economy is very close to picking up on it’s own.
She’s not a socialist. The debate didn’t include the socialist candidates (Stewart Alexander of the SP-USA and Peta Lindsay of the PSL party). Dr. Stein is with the Green Party.
If it quacks like a duck … Rocky and Jill don’t hide the fact that they are on the Left and in favor of bigger government and more social engineering — which is how we arrived at the present crisis.
Not to mention the thousands of patents that were sequestered by the government that deal with “new energy” such as what Tesla developed. Do a search on “new energy” in YouTube and be prepared to see the world in a completely different way.
Stein is for democracy. Gary Johnson favors our constitutional republic, that guarantees us the majority (51%) can’t rule the minority (49%). This is America, not the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.
Hey Jer! Loved your comment…vote for Jill Stein and Gary Johnson to take part in this last debate! Thanks!
I find myself wanting to vote for Gary Johnson, however he isn’t on the TX certified list of accepted write in’s or the 2012 presidential election…
Rocky Anderson was much better than Jill Stein. Anyone saying otherwise is deluding themselves.
Or they may have a different opinion, imagine that!
You are so right about Rocky. He is a candidate with integrity who has spent most of his adult life defendinf the civil rights sof we 99%. That makes him a most desirable candidate for President. A President takes an oath to do just that. Unlike Emperor Obama who has “no clothes.’
Why not invite all four candidates to the debate on Tuesday? All voices should be heard equally. After unanimous opinions that the “two highest vote recipients” appearing on a ballot to the exclusion of all others you’re now voting two candidates off and narrowing down to the two most popular? Seems wrong. Thanks for presenting this debate. I enjoyed watching it on C-SPAN and was surprised I’d rather see ANY of those four candidates become president over the two dominant candidates.
Dr. Jill Stein — I like her stand on education and getting rid-off the student debt.
Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode are my run-off picks. GJ was, in my opinion, the standout leader of the night. I was disappointed in at least 1/3 of Rocky’s advocacy. Ms. Jill Stein, while I applaud her passion, I flat out disagree with her “bail-outs for millions instead of bail-outs for millionaires” pitch. Bail-outs are wrong. Simply changing the beneficiaries doesn’t make it right.
Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson. GJ and Stein have already had a debate and Goode clearly is off his medication.
Gov Veto Man vs Dr. Green Woman
I would love to see Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode. I predict it will be Gary Johnson and Jill Stein.
Rocky Anderson was very eloquent and scholarly, and I believe Rocky would be an excellent President. I do, however, applaud Jill Stein for getting arrested in protest of the exclusion of third party candidates from Presidential debates. This is another act of civil disobedience, and that takes guts. I also liked her answer to the question concerning which one amendment she thought was most critical: getting money out of politics. But all four candidates were far superior to Obama and Romney, who are merely corporate shrills. Thank you all for an honest, authentic, unscripted discussion. Your love of country and patriotism tonight was indeed inspiring.
The Barefoot Accountant
Totally agree with you on Rocky !
I wouldn’t go that far. Virgil Goode wasn’t good at all. But then again, at least he spoke what he felt. I just can’t get over how socially conservative he is. And that voice!
I liked both his voice and his attitude. “Those people who will give you handouts are already on the ballot — I’m not your guy.”
Not sure if joking… I had to mute his speeches halfway through because Virgil’s voice drove me nuts.
Stein sounded liked she lacked confidence multiple times, not good when leading a country. Johnson sounded like he had talking points as well, he brought up how “[he] got elected as a Republican governor by running outside the system in a state that was 2 to 1 Democrats to Republicans.” Goode stayed on topic the most, I respect that.
Agreed. Goode was not better than Obama and Romney. Stein and Johnson were. Rocky was good in the debate, but I disagree with him on many issues and can’t handle that thick of an ideology.
Goode is not eloquent, however, I agree with his party’s platform and will be voting for him. No, I do not like his voice. But I like what his voice has to say.
Goode is a theocrat and Johnson is just another Capitalist. I wouldn’t say they really top Obama, let alone Jill or Rocky.
Well I’m indecisive again after seeing this debate. At first I was just going to break down and vote Obama because I can’t stand Romney, but because of things like NDAA and the Patriot Act, I cannot in good conscience do that. I’ve been a Ron Paul supporter for quite some time so I thought I’d vote Johnson instead, but now that I’ve seen Rocky Anderson’s poise and intelligence, I am leaning towards him. And people, this indecisiveness I feel is a GOOD thing – just like the free market, it means more choices which in turn means higher quality candidates!
“. And people, this indecisiveness I feel is a GOOD thing – just like
the free market, it means more choices which in turn means higher
quality candidates!” I agree with this completely! I was feeling negative and depressed about our political situation in the past few weeks. Watching the debates between Obama and Romney was torture.
Watching this debate between the 3rd party candidates was exciting and refreshing and renewed my passion for politics and our country! We have so many great choices here!!
GARY JOHNSON ALL THE WAY!!!
Jill Stein and democracy -=- is time to put a real woman in the White House
I want to see Gary Johnson vs. Rocky Anderson.
Long time Libertarian and Gary Johnson supporter… but a lot of respect to the other candidates. It’s hard if not impossible to respect the big two, but this debate was just full of what seem to be good people.
Virgil Goode vs Gary Johnson for October 30 debate
Gary Johnson vs. Virgil Goode
Rocky & Johnson, FTW.
Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson, Stein blew it.
Gary Johnson and Jill Stein!
Whoop! Looks like Liberty just whipped out it’s Johnson!
can rewatch it on cspan!
Gary Johnson 2012!
Where can we see a live tally of the votes?
Gary Johnson And Jill Is what I would Love to see
1. Rocky Anderson……2.Gary Johnson…….3 Jill Stein…..4 Virgil Goode
Hey Sonya would you make your mind up already ? I know it’s tough but you can do it . If you like R. P. then Gary Johnson has the best stance and then Rocky needs to explain how he would pay for his ideas . If the rest of the world likes R.P. then they would be happy with Gary Johnson .
I think Gary Johnson is the most enthusiastic about wanting real/do-what-it-takes change in this country, although I would say that Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson were also quite impressive. –Those three would get it done for sure, yet Gary Johnson gets my #1 vote.
Gary Johnson’s economic ideas are absolutely nuts, but he was by far the most enthusiastic.
One only needs to look at Pinochet’s Chile or Argentina’s Reorganization Process or Columbia or Yeltsin’s Russia or even to lesser extent Reagans America and Thatchers England to see where wide spread right wing Austerity measures puts a country, and Regressive Tax policy? Really?
Jill Stein came off as a weak speaker, Anderson upstaged her, but I agree entirely with both of their positions.
I couldn’t agree more, austerity is NOT the solution.
If a balanced budget is nuts, then I’m right there with him. His tax plan is the Fair Tax, which is not regressive. The plan addresses that issue with ‘pre-bates.’ The details are available at his site. The point is to eliminate the incentives that we see today with regard to the PY and corporate tax models.
Gary Johnson! Guy knows his stuff and is part Ron Paul. Best of both worlds!!
I was impressed with all for their candor and patriotism. I think the most viable 3rd party candidate would be either Rocky or Jill Stein.
Virgil Goode with the constitution party did a great job! He stands up for what I believe!
Virgil Goode was the only voice of reason. We don’t need a pot head culture. We need a strong defense. We need to protect our own job force more.
I picked Rocky Anderson. Haven’t heard of him before this debate, but looking at his policies and record he’s the kind of guy I would like to call, “Mr. President.”
Same here Theo !! ~ Rocky Anderson all the way !!
I first came across Rocky Anderson when he announced his run for the Presidency on democracynow. I looked him up on wikipedia. His resume is more than impressive. I don’t know how one man can accomplish as much as he has. Everything he says on the podium he has done all his life. He walks the talk.
Rocky is great, my number 1 choice! I started following him on facebook a few months back! I donated to his campaign and I got a call from a volunteer asking if I had watched him debate on democracy now and asked what I liked or didn’t like and what I would like to see more of. He does the same thing on facebook, he reads comments and answers questions. He seems to be in touch with the needs of others and I think he would make an amazing president. I wish he were on the ballot in every state.
Every person concerned with the fact that the Republican and Democrat national committees have effectively blocked a 3rd party candidate by literally owning the corporation that runs the debates needs to redouble there efforts in getting the word out to family, friends, co-workers and strangers that this is outrageous, unacceptable and disgusting. First, get informed about the issues and go to http://www.CCNN.US…Stop living in the false left/right paradigm.
How can my husband vote? I voted first, and now it won’t allow a second vote…
Gary Johnson & Virgil
Seeing more people talking about Goode as a second choice if you love the Constitution and state rights:
Goode not only opposes same-sex marriage personally, he doesn’t even want it to be a state right. He wants to amend the Constitution to completely ban same-sex marriage. State rights my bum.
Virgil Goode! You’ve got my vote.
Jill. She might not be as smooth as some, but her agenda is outlined clearly on her website. Check it out
Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.
Ima waste my vote on Gary Johnson!
Gary Johnson and Jill Stein look like the best 2 candidates for future debate. Jill Stein has my vote
Gary Johnson all the way!
It was a refreshing honest debate! I liked them all, but Gary Johnson gets my vote.
Gary Johnson is the only one who can save this country- starting with major cuts where they count, and teach Americans to be self sufficient and not rely on big government!
Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson are the top two by a long shot! I’m all in on Gary Johnson!!!
Jill Stein rocked! I’ve already voted for her via early voting. But I would like to see Jill Stein debate Gary Johnson on Oct. 30th – they are the only third party candidates to be on enough state ballots to win the 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. I’m a former Libertarian Party member who is now a Green.
Not true. Rocky would have enough to win also.
How many state ballots is Rocky Anderson on??? I like Rocky’s views, but he is just dividing the progressive vote. Rocky should endorse Jill Stein because the Green Party is the established left political party in the US.
Gary Johnson! Live Free!
STOP Special Interests & PROTECT Right of Representation with CLASS ACTION CLAIMING VOTERs’ Right of Representation Supercedes Special Interest Speech
Gary Johnson!!! The only true liberty candidate! Rocky anderson performed well, but the ideas of liberty are championed now by Gov. Johnson. Let the Revolution Continue! Vote Liberty in 2012!
Gary Johnson & Jill Stein are the best 2 candidates for future debate. Jill Stein has my vote. Green Party all the way
Wow … this is what our elections for representative government are supposed to be ! Because of the creation of Free and Equal and the debate between the Third Party Candidates that it was able to present to the American people tonight via CSpan on TV and the on-line options of viewing, I will go to bed tonight with a sense of hope for the American people that I haven’t had in quite some time. Thank you so very much Free and Equal !
I put Gary Johnson..and will actually early vote tomorrow at the polls for Gary Johnson….I didn’t like the bail outs that Jill Stein had at all….I think having bail outs as your campaign lead… weakens your position…..the GOV doesn’t need to bail out anyone..just bring down the Student loans the fed does….or eliminate them….you’ll have 20,000 people dropping out of state run universities…but hey…my daughter is in college…she bought one book for $455….on book….New Edition to the old one…..It’s crazy….Bring the Education dept back to reality..!!…my vote will be for Johnson…..but here it was Johnson, Anderson, Stien and Goode
Thank you for hosting the debate for third party candidates and letting Americans know that there are other choices out there, find someone you agree with and vote for that person. Don’t fall for the two party system. Well Gary Johnson has my vote, and may the RON PAUL revolution continue. Live FREE!
Jill Stein is exactly what America needs right now!
Thanks for all you have done…
I chose Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson. I think all candidates did a good job and I think they are all very intelligent but I feel Johnson and Anderson were the best two in the debate.
Rocky Anderson and Jill Stein: I wish they were running mates.
loved the debate..hated the young knwitall behind me in my ear!!but i feel if we say 2hell with the world banks robbing american people,we wouldnt have a debt.they should pay us for doing all there military dirty work…
Man that was one great debate! Never did I imagine that I would actually agree with all candidates on valid solutions and thus create an ideological whirlwind that would help resonate into my final vote with CONFIDENCE that real change can happen with Gary Johnson as president building COALITIONS between wonderful people like Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson, and Virgil Goode. Differing parties don’t have to jeopordizing the integrity of their own or other peoples beliefs and principle. That is DEMOCRACY! That is how America is supposed to be the greatest of all nations, not by force, but by leadership in peoples rights, accountability, transparency, peace and prosperity.
Rocky Johnson and Jill Stein.
Gary Johnson/Jim Gray 2k12!!
If you liked what Rocky Anderson had to say tonight, and want to hear more, please see The Barefoot Accountant’s Exclusive Interview of Rocky Anderson, Presidential Candidate of the Justice Party, on May 29, 2012: Video and Transcript
This is an hour long interview of Rocky Anderson and his advocacy for economic, social, and environmental justice. If you want justice in America, please listen and watch Rocky: he represents justice for all Americans!
I went in supporting Gary Johnson, but I think Rocky Anderson won this debate. I’ll have to look into him more because I liked a lot of the ideas he had as well (even though some are in stark contrast to Libertarian views that Johnson has). Put these two up against each other next week to help me decide!
check out http://www.voterocky.org Rocky fights for our rights and has his entire adult life. One of the most consistant people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.
ex-libertarian currently registered green will likely vote for rocky!
Gary Joshnson! He may not say what we like to hear, but he does say what makes sense.
I’d like to see Gary and Rocky, although I think Jill and Gary would be interesting because they are so far apart on issues.
3rd party debate was great – we should have two more [in fairness]
look forward to the next debate by FairandEqual.org on Tuesday in Wash D.C.
Stein vs. Anderson!
I was impressed by Rocky and Gary, Jill did fairly well too. I wish one of them had a chance to win. I am so afraid Barack Husien Obama will get in another four years I feel I have to vote for Romney.
Johnson started off poorly in the pre-debate with his absurd response to the ‘commons’ question. Libertarianism (at least as I define it) pretty much rejects the idea of the ‘commons’, but how he could have been unfamiliar with the concept is beyond me. His positions are kind of weak by my standards (austro-libertarian/an-cap) and I’m hardly enthusiastic about him, but he did finish fairly strong. Seeing him and Stein in a second debate would be interesting, though I’d rather the debate be centered on those issues upon which they passionately disagree.
Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson and Gary Johnson are all prime examples of why third parties are not taken serious. Virgil Goode was the only one that actually represented himself well and didnt embaress himself and his party. The vote should let us vote a #1 which is Virgil Goode and the rest dont even dont deserve any type of vote.
Wild claims with no backing citations AND terrible grammar. The quick 2-step process to not be taken seriously.
You should include”No Other Candidate” as a choice in ranked choice voting. I did not want to vote for either Virgil Goode or Gary Johnson. I tried to choose the space with not number, but the program kept responding with a number.
Thank you for the great debate. It put the CPD and Obama and Romney to shame. I think Larry King was surprised and impressed.
Regarding the participants in this vote: Free and Equal, being an offshoot of the Libertarian Party, has the numbers of participants in this vote weighted toward the Libertarian candidate.
Conspiracy… Really? Is it possible that Gary is an attractive candidate that people want to see again?
Great debate nice to see the respect all 4 showed towards each other… The other two would never get that comment!
The other 3 “mainstream” debates were like children arguing….. Your debate was what adult should be when debating… Great job folks!
Governor Johnson sounded like a presidential candidate tonight. I wish he could have gained access to the CPD debates, because he would have torn the President and Gov. Romney apart. I really hope that with this run-off 3rd-party debate, supporters of Dr. Stein, Mr. Anderson, Mr. Goode AND other undecided and non-voters will give their support to Gary Johnson in the upcoming election and at least TAKE A STAND if not make a REAL CHANGE in our electorate process. Supporters of Dr. Ron Paul can rest assured that there is still someone in the race that represents FREEDOM and TRUE HOPE. Thank you, Gary Johnson. You have my vote…here, and on November 6th.
Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson looked the best. They would best portray the “two sides” of the third party candidates and are the most presidential…Gary Johnson gets my vote, though
I have to go with Virgil Goode… put law abiding U.S. Citizens first… Gary Johnson a close second because he wants to give illegal aliens, amnesty, green cards and drivers licenses and entitlements and not put the 10′s of millions of law abiding U.S. Citizens languishing in Unemployment, Underemployment & Homelessness FIRST!
if you do some economic research or look at stats and figures rather than rhetoric, you will find yourself to be highly misguided
I need to look no further into the statements from Gary Johnson’s own mouth in regards to his support of illegal aliens over law abiding U.S. Citizens… to know why I can’t get behind him…
There are many statistics you can look at that are not skewed by the likes of the Demorats that show we have conservative at least 47 million working illegal aliens in this country right now… then the biggest secret the Demorats & Rino Republicans don’t tell us is that they have been giving out over 100,000 h1b & other foreign worker visas every month this year alone… we are importing & exporting U.S. jobs to foreign citizens and yet both the “D”‘s & “R”‘s and the likes of Gary Johnson do not see a problem with continuing the Status Quo of putting law abiding U.S. Citizens behind foreign citizens & illegal aliens…
http://www.NumbersUsa.com will get you started on your path to enlightenment on the real statistics…
Vote Freedom & Law Abiding U.S. Citizens First, Vote Virgil Goode 2012
You confuse work visas with amnesty. Your assertion is false.
Is not giving a green card to a illegal alien de facto amnesty? Gary Johnson has been backing illegal alien initiatives for a long time; he can’t hide from his own record & his own videos and nationally televised debates & speeches that clearly demonstrate his putting illegal aliens over law abiding U.S. Citizens for political gain in the illegal alien haven he was Governor of…
However if it looks close I will vote for who ever has the best chance.
Gary Johnson is STILL #1 for me. But all of these candidates are far better than Romney or Obama1
Great debate, bravo! and kudos to the 10th power to Free and Equal for putting this together and C-Span for carrying it. This is the way presidential debates ought to be!
my first pick is Johnson, this being my first experience hearing Virgil Goode I have to say he was very interesting, an easy 2
I already mailed my early ballot. My vote went to Gary Johnson!
I want to see Gary and Jill. Rocky LOST me with his poverty talk and his equal rights obsession based on sexual orientation. Virgil’s beliefs are good, but I’m from the deep south of Louisiana and his accent is just plain terrible and hurts him seriously (I’m sorry to have to say this, but it is true). I really was impressed with Jill except that I don’t agree with man-made climate change – but I DO agree with man-made non-biogradable LITTER that is a travesty and mankind should be ashamed for using plastics as bottles that will never bio-degrade in the foreseeable future! One would think that we’d be advanced enough to make a plastic that WILL biodegrade within a couple of years at least!
You don’t agree with man-made climate change? It’s scientifically proven, there’s no arguing that.
ever heard of climate gate emails. You must have missed that. Too much CO2 no doubt
Why not go back to glass which can be cleaned over and over again. Get rid of the plastic all together. Glass worked for 100 + years and even the young used to pick up dope/coke bottles for a 2 cent to 10 cent refund depending on where one lived.
So you don’t agree in equality, don’t like poor people, don’t believe in the well proven man-made climate change, AND you only dislike Goode because of his accent?
I was tossed between Rocky Anderson & Gary Johnson, how ever an end to the unconstatuntional IRS is a BiG deal & I will cast my vote for Gary Johnson his record dose speak for its self…
Virgil Goode is the only one to stand for the Declaration of Independence which says:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are LIFE, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
The war on the unborn men is an abomination to their CREATOR. If we allow chaos to anyone the chaos should be allowed to anyone. Vote for LIFE first. The above three laws are the first three laws to protect the minority. Vote Virgil Goode, vote for life!!!
Booooooooooo! This subject is not black and white.
Gary Johnson Rocks. I would love to see him humiliate President Obama in a debate! stars to you Gary.
Saw it live. So honored to be part of such a historic turn in American politics.
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Gary Johnson! I like Jill Stein, she’s well meaning, but she still believes in a top-down authoritarian government and I’ll have none of that. Embrace liberty Jill; You have fantastic ideas that I’m sure the TRUE free market would choose without government’s guns.
I wish they’d run on the same ticket.
Loved Gary Johnson… also Loved Jill and Rocky and what planet was Virgil from?… I side with Jill and Rocky on education though… and its very important… perhaps if we stop all these endless wars we’ll be able to fund Higher education for all Americans who want that chance. With Knowledge comes prosperity we must move towards Equal Education Opportunities for all. I put Jill in first place because she is willing to sacrifice her own freedom and stick her neck on the line against this scandalous 2 party system that doesn’t allow 3rd parties a chance to have their voices heard… Its a real shame… and seems to me quite Illegal. And something seriously needs to be done about it.
Gary Johnson 2012 LIVE FREE
Anderson and Johnson here.
I think if there would be an opportunity to defeat Obama and Romney Gary Johnson has the best chance of any of the 4 3rd party candidates
As far as Stein’s points on education, the G.I. bill worked because the
veterans of WWII were given an opportunity that they did not expect and
they were also highly motivated to improve their lives. At this point I
think that just handing a college education to U.S. high school
graduates will only increase the amount of keg parties. Our public
education curriculum should be designed to educate people to have
careers in their states, bringing the “local movement” to education and
have a more skilled trade based secondary school program. Anderson was
solid about the Equal Rights Amendment. I liked that Goode wanted to
face immigration. I disagree with Johnson that schools and prison
should be privatized but I think that Gary Johnson won that discussion.
It was not a debate, King repeatedly asked for rebuttals, but there was
a lot of agreement.
Virgil Goode and Gary Johnson. Virgil’s got my vote so far!
Gary Johnson is THE MAN !!!
Virgil Goode was the only candidate that even looked sain. I have no idea how anybody with a conscience or morals would ever take any of the other three serious.
Interesting, most of us thought he was the crazy one.
Jill Stein “Money is not speech and corporations are not people” Dr. Jill Stein for President
I like Gary and Jill. I see both of their points on education. Gary looks to the balance sheet, while Jill looks at the big picture. Both are valid views. Gary’s is solid in the short term, and Jill’s could pay off huge if balanced and executed carefully. If we cut back and massively reduced the role of our military, removed the DEA, ATF, CIA, NSA, DHS, TSA, and 100+ unconstitutional alphabet soup organizations, and got rid of the Federal Reserve with the installation of a sound monetary system…Paying for education and even healthcare shouldn’t be a problem either in terms of cost or invasiveness of govt.
Gary and Jill would make an excellent team up, balancing out the others weaknesses with their strengths.
Virgil Goode is the Man!!!!!!!!!!!!
Virgil Goode gets my vote go Constitutional party all the way!!!!!
I know you don’t support free speech. But my wife can post what she wants. imbecile.
Ron Paul through Garry Johnson.
This was excellent. Thank you Free & Equal for providing this forum. There was more thoughtful and intelligent debate here tonight than in any of the other debates put together.
Quite obvious why the two major parties did NOT want these individuals in the debates; however, to arrest Dr. Stein for 8 hours …. unbelievable!!! Excellent debate!!!
Virgil tells it the way it is. It may hurt some people, but it’s the truth and it’s the way to fix this country.
He needs a better position on the drug war.
And he needs to not want to amend the Constitutions to abridge the rights of certain citizens for no reason other than his religion.
Next debate ? should be “Say the Pledge of Allegiance” Now explain each word and what it means to you and your country. For a refresher listen to Red Skelton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM
I’m a Gary Johnson supporter, but I can say the only one of those 4 that wouldn’t be better than Obama/Romney is Goode – and even he might be better than those 2.
Unfortunately, they are promoting IRV. You may have to be a mathematician or election method nerd to note that IRV, of all alternative election methods, would be particularly useful to ruling parties to solve their “spoiler” problem, while ensuring they keep their lock on politics.
Better to use checkboxes (approval voting) or scores (range voting), if you promote an alternative voting system to the ones that shut out third parties.
Any of these four third party candidates would eclipse both Obamny or Robama.
All I saw was three Obama’s and Virgil Goode there tonight. If you want the only candidate that is worthy of being President it is Virgil Goode the other three you will get the same we have with Obama a country that goes down the hole.
You are wrong.
I would like to see Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson. I think Jill Stein has some good ideas, but I think she failed to communicate what it would take to accomplish those ideas, and thus failed to persuade me to have any further interest in her as a presidential candidate. Virgil Goode did a terrible job at debating his ideas. He basically said, “I know you aren’t going to like this, but…” and failed to explain to voters why his policies would be better than other policies. I think Rocky Anderson also had a somewhat sub-par debate by failing to distinguish himself, although some of his ideas might be pretty good; I just don’t know that much about him and would be interested in learning more. And of course, Gary Johnson had a very bold style in debating that was noticeable since his opening statements. It allowed him to stand out in the debate in that regard, but also in his explanations of his policies and his ability to speak fluently and clearly also helped him out as well.
You can find out more about Rocky Anderson on his site: voterocky.org.
Thank you for making sure that the third party candidate debate was at least heard on C-SPAN, FreeSpeechTV, RT and Al-Jazeera. Gary Johnson was the best out of the four. But, to tell you the truth, I would take any one of the four on the stage this evening over Obamney any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
This was such a refreshing debate! I loved all of the candidates for participating. It really helped me narrow down my favorites: Johnson, Anderson, Stein and then Goode.
Can you *please* include questions about our energy policies and climate change in the next debate? I want to know what priority the candidates would make renewable energy and how they would make it happen. I want to end our dependence on fossil fuels and nuclear energy and want to hear how they will do that.
Go to voterocky dot org and read about the work Rocky Anderson has done on climate change. He has won awards.
Virgil Goode vs. Gary Johnson. Only 2 people up there with reasonable policies. Free isn’t free! You first have to balance the budget, and get things back under control, before you can even BEGIN thinking about handing out money for welfare causes. If the government collapses, any hope of public welfare goes with it. It’s basic economics 101. Stein and Anderson are completely off base, merely wanting to suck the country’s teet dry with massive social programs. Might as well run as socialists.
I think that they mean re-direction of funds, not increased taxation. Redirect bloated military spending to education, which would result in more jobs and less need for welfare like food stamps and cash assistance. I completely agree with that idea (at least for AA/AS/AAS degrees, not really anything higher for “free”). The problem is that, while it does redirected bloated military spending and will reduce spending in the long term, it doesn’t reduce spending in the short term, which needs to happen. I’d like to hear ideas for short term reductions that wouldn’t mean more people would be picking between food and electricity when their jobs aren’t enough.
Im voting for Gary Johnson……If he wasn’t running, I believe any of these candidates are far better choice than Obamney.
First and foremost it was really refreshing to hear these candidates speak. With that being said The top 2 in tonight’s debate in my opinion were Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson
Three of the candidates (Stein, Anderson and Goode) used the term “democracy” to describe our system of government. Two of the three said it numerous times. The ONE exception was Gary Johnson. Thank you, Gary! My choice has always been Ron Paul. But since my state doesn’t recognize write-in votes, I’m voting for Gary Johnson. By the way, this is a republic (rule by law to protect each individual), NOT a democracy (rule by men or the tyranny of the majority). However, increasingly over the last several decades, democracy has been the battle cry here and abroad (no wonder conquered people around the globe “hate” us). The best definition of democracy: Two wolves and a lamb deciding what’s for dinner. GO GARY!
she may not be the most charismatic, but she fights the hardest to protect/regain our rights!
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I voted for Gary Johnson, but this Anderson guy made an impression. I would like to see both of them square off in a one-on-one debate.
I see a lot of talk about Virgil Goode not supporting the drug issue and what not. I just figured it up and that is a whopping 3/10 of 1 percent of the budget. You guys are going to balance the budget like that?
Virgil Goode the only one that deserves to be in the next debate
Virgil is blind to the fact about the drug war. Just do the research how many deaths does alcohol and cigarettes contributea year vs cannabis? It’s a no brainer wake up people…
do the math of what percent it is of the budget. 3/10 of 1 percent. get a grip.This is not going to do anything to balance a budget.
Gary Johnson & Rocky Anderson
Wow…now that was refreshing! Just finished watching the Third Party debates and it was nice to see and to listen to unscripted, principled, and honest responses from Stein, Johnson, Goode, and Anderson. This is what democracy should be all about!
I only got to see a few minutes of it, will watch the tape. Go Jill Stein.
Forced, forced myself to trudge through all of the major televised Presidential debates. There was nothing forced about watching this exchange at all and I am made deeply hopeful just through the fact that these voices will, hopefully for the foreseeable future have a home from which to air there thoughts on policy and implementation.
Every exchange just felt very real and passionate and I enjoyed watching that very much.
I wanted to see Rosane Barr up there debating Oh well, I voted for Gary Johnson, but I have to say that Rocky Anderson was the best speaker.
Wow! What a debate!!! Thanks to Freeandequal.org and everyone. Please everyone go to their web site and replay the debate, sign the pettion and vote for your true candidate for president. We don’t need Obama and Mitler. We have Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party, Jill Stein of the Green Party, Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party and Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party to chose from. They just had a real debate and it was Awesome to say the least! What a breath of fresh air! They talked about the real issues that Our Country is facing. They brought it! Also you can see all their debates online at democracynow.org. Stand up Americans! Your Country needs you now more than ever before. Power to the People. If everyone votes for one of these Official candidates we can be rid of the unofficial corporate candidates that nobody really likes or wants! One of them will win if everyone writes them in and ignores Obama and Mitler. We can take back Our Country starting now with this election. I’m voting for Rocky. I love you Rocky!!!
Gary Johnson spoke with clarity and conviction and passion. He is the candidate with the most credibility of Romney or Obama. If we can mobilize this vote I think he has a shot. He’s the closest thing to Ron Paul we have. I just want Ron to quit hedging and endorse Gary. What reason does he have not to? Well Ron, what is the real reason Sir? Lets mobilize and put the old outdated corrupt third party system behind us and do it now. Get out and organize people! We can do it.BTW watch and use the documentary, “Dreams of my Real Father” It is a shocking eye opener,hits hard and is a tool to use to turn the middle class folks that voted for Obama last election. They will be livid after seeing it and feel totally resentful that they cast a vote for Obama. (The son of the Kenyan goat herder that went to Harvard, right?) That’s easy to conceive of and believe, right?
Re RP’s reason for not endorsing Johnson: maybe the issue of abortion. I don’t know for certain RP’s stance on the issue, but if he’s anti-abortion and he’s truly a man of principle, he couldn’t make that endorsement.
Was a great debate Christine Keep up the great work Firepower http://commieblaster.com/socialist_czars/index.html
Gary Johnson and anyone.
what’s Johnson’s stance on climate change?
not positive but I would assume he would be against increased regulation or subsidization. He would also be against subsidies to oil companies (or any companies for that matter) which would level the playing field and create a market solution
Gary Johnson and anyone!
This was a debate! It was a pretty nice contrast in viewpoints as well. It would have been even better with Obamney up there. The posers would have been obvious.
The one answer I really loved from Goode tonight was his idea on term limits. I love that and think he is right that we may have to Grandfather in current Congress members.
I saw three people that reminded me alot of Obama and then there was Virgil Goode the only one that had a brain on the stage tonight
Any one of the four we saw tonight would be a million times better than the 2 we perceive ourselves to be stuck with.
I would like to know thier views on 911? If anybody would call for a new investigation. Remember that’s is what brought upon the patriot act. I would really like to see where they stand on that issue. (September11)
I’ve heard Rocky Anderson say that we owe it to the American people to have a thorough independent investigation into 9/11.
I watched the Democracy Now debate, w/Jill Stein + Rocky Anderson interlaced w/Obama + Romney. Both impressed me, with Jill in the lead. Why did the Libertarian decline to participate?
I don’t like this voting method. The results will be skewed and not represent their real ranking, but inflate the results of the 2 biggest vote-getters, similar to the system all four candidates spoke our against. I only wanted to give my vote to Goode, not let it be given to someone else.
Rocky’s amendment change was the best part of the whole debate in my opinion. The whole thing was amazing though.
gary johnson for president, I think gary and rocky should go at itm jill would be good too but gary and rocky did it the best tonight, Vote gary johnson fuck obama and romney good ppl but puppets tot he corps i love america
Excellent debate… Great to hear real ideas, real solutions, and real patriotism. Excellent job on the debate platform.
Instant runoff voting is a deeply flawed system. I would have liked to see approval voting or range voting being used here.
Gary for President, Jill for V.P. What a great combination they’d make.
your right if you are trying to destroy everything America stands for.
Jill Stein and Gary Johnson get my vote.
I would be surprised if its not Rocky and Gary!
These is what a debate should look like. The candidates expressed our frustrations and fears; we have no jobs; lost homes; college loans; the Patriot Act and NDAA. I tuned in late I would have asked about the millions of plastic coffins and the Fema camps with thousands of UN OR NATO troops everywhere in the country. Underground facilities is one type of Fema Camp. How about http://www.Agenda21.com with the depopulation agenda. We are being
sprayed with chemicals everyday which is making people sick and killing our crops. There
are abandoned railroads that have been turned into prisoner railways to the camps.
There are so many acts that should be considered acts of treason. And on and on.
I feel that any of the four would investigate and correct the situation. And when do we ask the UN for decisions on war? This is treason; we have a Congress that must be considered. The president has eliminated the Congress and Senate in order that he can make his own presidential orders, such as continuing war. ” He is a celebrity ” and the world is his, as well as our country. We must have change!
How refreshing to see honest people, candidates with obvious integrity, give honest answers to questions that matter to me. I find it eye-opening after listening to tonight’s lively debate among actual candidates, not real politicians, that we actually have a choices as to which direction this country ought to go. And those choices must be given a fair and equal hearing. We have been dead wrong all these years. We must insist that a third-party candidate(s) be given equal access, time and footing in any and all presidential debates, meetings, forums and at any other place where the 2 party candidates are convened.
What an amazing night! It’s a new dawn!
Rocky Anderson for Justice!!!!!! We could use some in this country!
he is on the ballot in 2 states, and he doesn’t want to be president– he says his strategy was to get votes and then drop out at the last minute taking a executive appointment… not likely though with only 2 states having him on the ballot
also, his platform is a mirror of the Green Party platform, represented by Jill Stein.
actually, somebody informed me it is 15 states now…. though that wasn’t really my point anyways, my point was that he isn’t running for president really, but for an executive appointment. I haven’t kept up to date on his campaign since finding that out, my mistake I guess.
He is on the ballot in 15 states, plus 25 states are write-ins, which means that people in 40 states can vote for him. As far as his dropping out is just nonsense. He sees the justice party as a long-term movement and has no intention of quitting.
My favorite part of the debate was when Virgil about the drug war and he was not afraid to admit that his view completely differed from everyone else on stage. He doesn’t have my vote Johnson all the way but I’m tired of the hearing a debate between the establishment candidates and having them dodge a question you know they disagree with simply to get votes.
All are great, but I really like Jill Stein! …a solid voice of reason…especially with regard to weaning ourselves off oil so that we can stop waging unprovoked wars in order to satisfy our thirst for fossil fuels, thereby creating green jobs, addressing climate change and reducing terrorism all at once!
Is that highest number = highest rank, or lowest number = highest rank? and what if you would like to represent a weak opposition to a candidate rather than a ranked support?
Goode has my respect and I’d like to see him and Gary go at it next time without the distraction of Stein and Andersen demanding more spending and more social engineering. After all, THAT is why we’re in this position, we’re broke because our runaway government can’t seem to stop borrowing money.
Gary Johnson is my vote, Maybe against Jill or Rocky
Gary Johnson first, Jill and Rocky tie for second.
Thanks for doing this! My 15 year old daughter watched as well. A good education for her after watching the other debates.
Jill Stein won this debate handily. She far, far more well versed on the issues than all others, but Rocky Andersen did well too. Gary Johnson was weak on his understanding of the economy and Virgil Goode was an embarrassment. Roseann Barr would have been a much better choice than Goode.
Please let them all debate!! It was soooo refreshing to hear them and the whole point is not to exclude them anymore! Thanks!!
In terms of how the mass media likes to pick a debate winner, I’d have to say that Rocky Anderson “won” the debate by a small margin, with Johnson coming close behind or drawing, arguably. This is simply in terms of who made the most bombastic points and had an air about them that they were agressive or “winning.”
On the other hand, I think the debate clarified for me that I believe most in what Jill Stein was saying. Rocky’s great, in my opinion, too, but Jill really hit the sweet spots for me. Time to do a little research on the differences in their platforms.
While Virgil Goode was by and far the least popular one there and in the comments here, you at least have to respect that he stands by his principles and has a few seriously good points that are outside the “duopoly” box. It doesn’t seem like he has a comprehensive plan for every topic, but his heart is possibly in the right place.
Rocky has the experience and the solutions. Have worked with him for years on different issues and his stance has remained the same. http://www.voterocky.org/
thanks to dailypaul.com for the link to this page!
It’s sad and disheartening that 90% of the population doesn’t even KNOW that they have these wonderful other choices!! I coaxed my mom into watching the debate tonight. We had thought-provoking conversation and there were clear points that we disagreed upon, but we were just glad that the points made were clear enough TO be debated! Especially by Gary Johnson: that’s a man who actually knows his statistics. And this coming from someone who used to despise the “hands off government” approach!
Hope restored in humanity =)
I like how they were all very respectful and didn’t try to disrespect or name call or do any of the other crap that the people do in the CPD debates.
Much respect to them all, But I gotta say Gary Johnson is my vote. Gotta Love Jill though too! High Five to the Third Party!
Gary Johnson is my first choice. Rocky Johnson, don’t know much about him at this point, is my second choice. Jill Stein, don’t know much about her, but she would be is my third choice.
Virgil is TOO RELIGIOUS for me. Sorry Virgil, but you are my very last choice!
Exactly. He’s so socially conservative!
Look up the “Constitution Party Preamble” and you will see why.
I’m a non-believer and I practice NO religion.
Be a part of the Third Party Political Process. I’m sending Rocky Anderson to Washington D.C. The Justice Party is a party for the people. We need everyone to vote!
It’s so refreshing to hear a real debate about the real issues facing America and the world today with real solutions offered, not the corporate sanitized versions we hear from the duopoly we have in Obama/Romney. As Jill Stein said, we have 90 million people who do not vote and if they were allowed to hear from these four real candidates with real solutions, they would definitely vote. With that said the sad truth is that with electronic voting machines owned by Tagg Romney in Ohio, we will definitely have another stolen election!
So folks, be prepared to take to the streets, at your local election headquarters and demand a transparent count of the paper ballots to see who actually won the election. We cannot sit by and allow another stolen election!!!
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I think Goode and Johnson were the two I prefer. They have differences on drugs and other issues but were overall the most consistent. They all were much better than the 2 idiots now competing for office. Think Jill is in socialist fantasy land with her health care and free education ideas as socialism is part of the problem now. The point she is missing is that the working people are the ones that would end up footing the bill. It is the same type socialist programs that are straining our budgets already. As one candidate said about medicare…30 cent going in and a dollar going out. That is the problem with socialism. Our biggest problems with health care and education is the ridiculous price gouging that is going on. That needs to be addressed first and foremost. Our current economic problems are not being caused by lack of higher education but rather a lack of common sense. Free health care is not a guaranteed right. Think that Goode has missed the point on the case for legalization. It is not so much that any of the candidates are for drugs but rather that the laws are destroying our civil liberties and creating a police state and the profit. I am also very spooked of the green party type agenda. I agree we need to conserve and come up with solutions but some of their climate scenarios and forced ideas they seek power for are out there and almost seem like an appeal for a green type dictatorship that forces compliance. I also have a problem with elevation a gay marriage to the same status as a man/woman marriage. It is one thing to say that the bedroom and private life is not the governments business however it is quite another to want the government to come in and sanctify it and place its blessings on it. That is why I favor Goode and Johnson.
Very well said, Tom!
If you really want to see a debate between candidates that have any type of shot Virgil Goode has to be one mainly because he is the only candidate that is going to be on the ballot in at least 48 states and probably all fifty states. If a candidate is only on the ballot for two or three states or even 10 or 20 of the states they are not serioous about running for president so lets find out how many states will have each candidate on there ballots and let the two candiadtes that are on the most ballots debate in Washington DC.
It looks like Gary Johnson is going to be on at least 48 state ballots and the district of columbia, with 2 in the process. Jill Stein appears to be in second with 37 states and the district of columbia…not sure where you’re getting your virgil goode info from, but it sees to be inaccurate
Also, Johnson has consistently polled the highest in pre-election polls, followed by Stein
Gary & Jill went up the hill to fetch a pale of water..
Great debate. Have not tweeted so much in months
I was so blown away to see 4 candidated that had a BRAIN and a HEART!! Wonderful Debate – of the PEOPLE for the PEOPLE!!!
If the big push for tonights debate was to make sure everybody has a chance to be heard for this election why are they going exclude two of these candidates?
This was so very well done ! Thank you. I applaud all of the third party candidates for speaking eloquently, with passion about the REAL issues, with HONESTY, and with respect…. how refreshing !! Rocky Anderson, you rocked this debate! http://www.voterocky.org
Jill 1, Rocky 2. Jill Stein is the best candidate in my lifetime (JFK was my first and she’s better). Like how Jill called for air time for qualified candidates and public financing of elections. And happy she called for a Constitutional amendment to make clear that money is not speech and corporations are not persons (essentially to overturn Supremes’ CU decision)
That was a true Presidential debate, Rock on Free and Equal, My vote will go to Gary Johnson, I’m sure America realized that 2 candidates were very absent ! Why you ask ? I’m going to guess that they were petrified of the Liberty minded questions they were going to be asked ! They just won’t abide by those damn Constitutional thinking Americans………..
Was able to watch the first 20 minutes, and it was the most fresh conversation I’ve heard all year. Let’s continue to listen and amplify this new conversation, especially right after the election.
You should not be required to rank all four candidates. If you consider one or more unacceptable, you should be allowed to express no preference among them.
I agree. But they’re pushing IRV, the alternative system that some establishment Democrats prefer, since it would allow them to strip the third parties of the one power they have (to be spoilers) and compel them to merge into the main parties.
so wonderful thank you!
Gary all the way, clear, and concise, and you can view his record as governor and see he gets things done, and no offense to any New Mexicans but to achieve that in such a out of mind state says a lot.
Seems to me if you are holding a second debate with people that have been disenfranchised from the main stream political system you should have included all four in both debates. You had me excited about a second debate before I realized it would not include all the candidates. I wish you would reconsider. If the candidates believe they should have been included in the other debates then in good conscience they should not participate unless they are all invited.
I too, want to see Gary Johnson & Rocky Anderson in the October 30th debate. Though my vote is for Gary Johnson.
I really enjoyed listening to all four of these candidates and all had some valid points. I found myself most comfortable with Rocky Anderson and Jill Stein but Gary Johnson made his positions in a powerful way and Virgil seemed to be a good steward of the Constitution.
Excellent — thanks for providing all four alternative voices
Gov. Gary Johnson showed again in tonight’s debate why he has the experience and clarity to be a reform president. Johnson now on the ballot in 48 states
gary johnson vs rocky anderson lets go!!
Gary Johnson… has my vote… the other candidates sound to much like Republicrat’s… They won’t dare talk about Obama real father Communist Frank Marshal Davis, Chemtrails,
911 False Flag Attack,
Zionist control of American foreign policy,
PS: I wish the American Third Position Party was included in this debate… Merlin Miller would shake up the debate, I know that free&equal.org is being host in Chicago the land of corruption and Larry King is a Zionist… The questions Sucked… But Gary Johnson is much better then Obamney…
I would have gone with Gary and Jill previously, but tonight I got to hear a lot of good info from Rocky.. definitely want to see Gary and Rocky next time.
Thank you Free & Equal! I enjoyed attending this debate and hearing all of the different viewpoints.
There was a lot of interesting positions brought forth and several quality positions. I really thought Jill Stein and Rocky made some excellent points. And I thought the Constitutional party candidate was sharp on several points, although I agreed more with Stein and Rocky.
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Wrote a piece on my blog titled COKE OR PEPSI? before the first CPD debate, included a “SHARE THIS if you want more than 2 voices in the debate” graphic featuring Rocky, Gary, Jill & Anonymous. Read it, Steal it, Share it:
“While people mobilize across the country to battle efforts by the right to limit ballot access (a nice way to say steal the vote) , the CPD quietly acts as a limited liability shill (as corporations often do) for the censorship of any dissenting opinion at the presidential debates. It is only through the inclusion of alternative voices that the dialogue can be expanded and that candidates can be kept honest. This limiting of the number of voices at the debate by folks who are already in the debate is clearly a conflict of interest.”
Jill Stein and Gary Johnson!!!
Jill was excellent. A doctor who advocates for the people and has a true activist as her VP. She is a seasoned veteran of standing up to the ruling establishment and therefore really knows the issues. Thank you Free and Equal and Larry King as well.
Free & Equal… Censored me for what… Saying 911 truth or Zionism… Not so Free & not very equal… I am voting for Merlin Miller
So refreshing to hear from candidates that choose not to be war mongers and to seemingly have the pulse of the people in their scopes! All of us here need to spread the word about the fact that we have other REAL choices! I know there are Boomers like me fearful of losing Social security and they are terrified to vote anything other than dumb Dem!
I was so impressed by Jill, Rocky and Gary (although abolishing the IRS-doesn’t that mean S.S.?). I can’t wait for the next debate. In the meantime I am talking to everyone that they will not be throwing a vote away, they will be changing history by not voting the status quo!
I am not voting the lesser of two evils for the first time in four elections!
On the education issue, i was disappointed not to see any of the candidates, Stein or Anderson in particular due to their progressive views, raise the point that while educational debt is at the $1 trillion mark, the total cost of education from pre-k to graduate level is only an estimated $15-$30 billion. Which is less than the collections overhead on educational debt! For less than Harvard’s endowment of $34.6 billion, we could have free education for all!
Moreover, I did not see the staggering figure for the Wall St bailout, $20 trillion, mentioned by any of the candidates. Good to see the $1 trillion annual pentagon budget and $4-5 trillion figure for ‘war on terror’ listed. Stein failed to mention a most pressing concern, that of distressed mortgages, and her plan for ending foreclosure/eviction with interest free, initial property value/total paid on mortgage/current property value calculated loans to occupiers, with income adjusted loan payments or renters agreements.
As far as the energy debate, neither Stein nor Anderson seized the initiative in pointing out the primary sources of domestic petroleum use (Mexico, Canada, Venezuela, Nigeria) in order to undermine the ‘war for oil’ snowjob in the middle east/asia as infrastructure rent seeking and mercenary boondoggles for geostrategic control. which make Americans unsafe at home and slaughter millions abroad, and create traumatized, wounded, vets and military families. Solar, wind, geothermal and hydroelectric power are more sensible for HVAC and electricity. The southwest is a desert and the plains are windy. Geothermal is better than hydrofracking, tar sands take more resources to extract than the possible energy yield, and mountaintop removal is destructive and poisonous. Nuclear is not a safe waste/meltdown option and destroys freshwater ecosystems.
On the ‘amendment’ question, the UN Declaration of Human Rights, which the US is a principal author and signatory, should be made a constitutional amendment. The fact that we are not in compliance with a ratified international/constitutionally binding treaty is the scandal from which the sufferings, especially of the last 40 yrs, spring. Non-profit enterprise is the future, and should be the basis of America’s investment policy for economic progress.
I voted for the Green Party because it met the principles i believe in. For too long the one party with two names has offered a choice of voting for the lesser of two evils. Voting for principles, even when the chances of winning is remote, is where the power of change resides. The more people that vote for what they believe is right the greater the possibility for real change.
I concur. If the generation that supported McGovern had made the break then instead of trying to ‘take over’ the Democratic party, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
This was a great moment in American politics. Kudos to free and equal and Larry King
I was not very impressed, in fact I was let down. There was almost no philosophical discussion, no clear distinctions made between the parties and what there parties stand for. While it was nice they brought up issues like the NDAA, they almost all agreed on most of the matters.
They should all get together before hand and make a list of things they agree with and that they disagree with Obama and Mitt about. They can start off by reading that off and then get into what they fundamentally and philosophically disagree on.
I would like to see longer speaking segments, I look forward to the head to head.
I hope everyone is prepared to write-in the ACTUAL Candidate of their choice! Whether it be Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, or one of the other candidates in this debate.
Virgil Goode is no friend of liberty! Check out some of his votes in the House of Reps:
Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
Voted NO on reforming the UN by restricting US funding. (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
Voted NO on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997)
He cosponsored H.R. 4777 – the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act. (2006)
I wish they would have aired this earlier. Why? Because it is getting to late to convert people to register and then go vote for real change. Why did they pick Larry King? Isn’t he one of the evil people that’s withheld the public from the truth all these years? And why was Rocky the only that said anything about the FEDERAL RESERVE? If you don’t kick out the money changers there is not a chance in hell to free this country from tyranny? Besides the the US Debt was gained by illegal means and therefore should be erased and the funds on the Banks books should be divided amongst all the American citizens. Then we have a real change, can I get a yes we can? Go! Gary!
Virgil Goode got my vote!
It’s too bad this process wasn’t started months ago, and that two candidates were selected from this group of organizations to truly form a third party. It’s possible!
As a Texan I’m proudly casting my vote to Gary knowing that Mitt will most likely win the state, but I wonder if a swing state voter would do the same. After seeing tweddle dee and tweddle dumb argue about who’s going to spend more on military I can’t imagine why anyone would waste their vote on them.
I want to change my vote. Gary Johnson was my second choice, but now I want to bump up Rocky Anderson to that position. While I agreed with virtually everything Johnson said in the debate, further investigation at http://www.ontheissues.org reveals that I disagree with Johnson on many issues.
No one talked about gun control. A major social issue
Go Stein. You’ll make a difference. Talking about change. Dr. Stein is the change we all need to consolidate Democracy.
Virgil. Virgil. Virgil.
Virgil is awful!
Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
He cosponsored H.R. 4777 – the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act. (2006)
Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)
Voted YES on retroactive immunity for telecoms’ warrantless surveillance. (Jun 2008)
Voted NO on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq. (Jun 2008)
Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC
If you are the real Gary Johnson! God Bless You! Thank You for running a clean campain to run our country, you have my vote, and I hope you feel better soon, you seamed a little under the weather at the debate, I think you are a super trooper! great job! try a little licorice root tea, it will help your throat All I would ask of you is to add a plan to deal with GMO & Monsanto & help us get a Label on it, or out law it all together, ban it from our country , new studies show it causes cancer. Thank you for being a REAL HERO!
Great Debate !!!!!
Rocky & Gary all the way! Hoping to keep building momentum and ideally Anderson/Stein 2016!
i like what jill stein and rocky anderson have to say about the important issues facing us, but i have to say-they can’t deliver on their ‘promises’ any better than obomba has. the office of president is not one of dictatorship. congress/corporations and banks has much to do or more with the problems facing us as the president. the president has one true power-to start and stop war. period. foreign policy is not dictated by the president and certainly not domestic policy, either. he may influence but not dictate. how do we hold any candidate to their promises?
This was a fantastic debate, and I truly believe that if we could get Gary, Rock, and Jill into the Presidential Cabinet under any ONE of them they would DEFINITELY fix America the way Americans want it fixed! Thank you to each of you for your honesty, and the courage this took. Especially to you, Jill, for being a beacon of strength as an American, a Doctor, and a woman after having been terrorized by our own Police state. I admire, and highly commend you for having the courage to do so. Thank you so much!! Gary Johnson for President 2012, the People’s President. Because I choose to be Libertarian, and Live Free. <3
Gary Johnson all the way, hope he feels better, he seams like a super trooper with a cold or flu, anyone else pick up on that? He has my vote, had it for a while! we need to spread the word on this debate, truely kicked butt! I was bitchen & moaning when I watched the 2 demons debate, screaming liar liar pants on fire. Not the Free & Equal debate, I cried & clapped & thanked God ! and smiled…which means… there is hope for us all yet!
Gary Johnson 2012!!! Live Free or Die
I just want to thank free and equal for your hard work and making this possible when no one else will, may YHWH bless you
Thank you so much for giving the U. S. citizens, and all of humanity abroad a chance to know that things are now going to change. Thank you for letting the world know that Americans are not monsters. Thank you for letting them know that those who have called themselves our presidents do not, in any way, shape, or form represent the ideals or desires of the American people. I hope Gary Johnson wins this election, although I also liked Jill Stein, as well. I still think Gary has a more realistic perspective, although I think our children should be granted free college education since we force them to go to school throughout their childhood only to let them down when it comes to higher education. Gary Johnson 2012 and beyond!
Can you overdose on clear answers from a political figure? It certainly feels dangerously close to to giddy insanity at the moment. What the heck happened?
Tonights debate exposes the clear and high levels of corruption by both democrats and republicans. shame
Finally a debate with substance and real answers. Thank you so much Free and Equal.
Ms. Tobin, you are a bawss! Thanks for helping to give us an actual debate with real topics and real answers. Hopefully you’ve changed the future of presidential debates for good. The ideas (particularly Gary Johnson’s) are what we need to hear and spread. We do not have to vote for the Goldman Sachs cartel candidates.
Glad to hear that there are some real Americans still around. It is good to know you can vote for real people, not puppets. Did loose interest in voting, now it is revived.
Why is the Socialist Party candidate, Stewart Alexander, not included?
I wish Ron Paul was in the debate, he would have been my first choice. However, given the choices, my vote goes for Gary Johnson.
Thank you for taking us out of the two party litter box!
With a little fine tuning F&E will bury the antiquated CPD sponsored Abbott & Costello pre-scripted talking points memo!
Thank you Free and Equal for this opportunity. The debate was as it should be. Gary Johnson 2012!
gary johnson is the only choice for ron paul ex-republicans
The topic of autism, and mercury in vaccines has to be addressed. Flu shots to pregnant women give fetuses 200 times the alleged “safe” dose of mercury which mangles their little brains. This crime has to stop. I’m the only candidate who will mention this atrocity. I’m also the only candidate who will say the name “Rothschild”. Write me in.
I didn’t even watch the Republican and Democrat debates, but I watched the Third Party debates. I liked everyone except Goode. He rubs me the wrong way.
+DeleteFlag as inappropriateI was with gary all the way untill he said he would let immigrants in our country on work visas,,,we cannot afford to place people from other countries with jobs, when we the citizens don’t have enough jobs for our own counrty
let all 4 debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Loved watching this debate. The debates between Obama and Romney, on the other hand, have been the epitome of style over substance and do NOTHING whatsoever to change our trajectory toward national economic and civil collapse other than to SLIGHTLY alter the rate by which we get there. The “third party” candidates, whether you agree with them or not, are not the bought and paid for banana republic puppets that the dual dictatorship is offering us. I will be writing in the Johnson/Gray ticket here in Michigan, thanks to the GOP’s team of attorneys keeping them off the ballot.
As an aside to the Free & Equal organization, great job last night! Thank you all you did to set this up and persuade Mr. King to set aside his Democrat leanings and serve as moderator. Also, I found it difficult to bring up this page on my mobile device; you might want to look into that.
Give control to the the new world order, it dictacts a corporate president. Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney have pledged their allagiance to the zionists and will peace to a new democratic world. Get used to the neo-cons, they are the only ones capable of protecting you…just pay your taxes and support the war….remember to keep burning oil and be paranoid of terrorists…oh yes, we got you where we want you
I am very pleased with the debate last night, and given the website went down shortly after the debate ended due to traffic, I guess the response was even greater than you all hoped. Very well done!
The debate was a breath of fresh air compared two the dead corpse smell of Obama and Romney. The elites puppets to deal out upside down politics for the evil worshipping ,luceferian, pedophiles. When this country wakes up to take down the creeps will be one great day. Release all drug related offenses and out almost all of the current politicians in there to take thier place. One chance to come clean, if so you are no longer in office. If you stay you go to prison judge by the people court. If you are in the executive branch you must be trialed for TREASON
Jill and Gary. I like Rocky well enough however I can’t quite figure out what his long term plan is. He formed a party that really doesn’t exist outside of his campaign so when the election is over I assume the Justice Party is as well. The Libertarian and Green Parties are both here for the long haul and I hope they both do well. Peace!
Awesome debate! It’s the issues that third parties raise that are important. I will be showing the debate to my high school U.S. Government students today and tomorrow.
I love the idea of a second debate to discuss more issues–but the 3rd parties are not about narrowing down the choice among the candidates, it’s about raising the issues and perspectives that have been ignored by the major parties. Limiting next week’s debate to the ‘top two’ is a bad idea–you are doing the same thing the Dems and Reps do!
Last night’s Chicago audience was really getting into the debate, but I noticed lots of empty seats. I know that ‘Free and Equal’ needs the money, but how about filling up the Hilton seats by not charging admission?
Gary and Jill are the best choices…they are both more polished in presenting their ideas and will have the most electoral success of the 4 candidates
I would vote, but the drop-downs for preference won’t let me change any numbers. No matter what I choose, the numbers keep popping back to 1 to 4 top to bottom. Just for the record I want Jill Stein at #1. I don’t want to just hit the Done button with a choice that is not my own. That would not be fair, and it would reflect too much of that “putting up with what is there” as far as the two corporate-owned candidates are concerned.
I appreciate the platform for these candidates to speak and tell us what they are all about. I wish more ppl knew there were other candidates running for president besides Obama/Romney. It gave me some hope that in the future we will have a fairer more democratic voting system knowing ppl like Stein and Anderson are running and standing up for what they believe in. The rest is up to US!
Bravo and well done ..No wonder these 4 where not invited to the party.
3 want to end war on drugs and legalize them. Goode -no 2 most interested in climate change Goode -more important things 2 for term limits Goode and Johnson 1 wants ammendment to make people important Huh?? 3 for gay marriage Goode -No Only 1 Conservative on panel Virgil H. Goode Jr. Room full of Libertarians who want drugs and gay marriage and no war Just like Rep. and Dem debate . One sided. Others a copy of Obama and Romney
Rocky and Gary, although libertarians and their fixation on Ayn Rand are bit terrifying
I am highly biased because I am a Libertarian (actually, I want less state control than that, but that would make me the A word! *GASP*) but I would vote for any of these candidates over Rombama.
I know that the differences among us would be vast – e.g. student loans. I understand how a person would arrive at Jill’s position. If we are going to bail out a private market participant, why not let it be the little guy instead of the banks; I would just rather not bail anyone out, not out of meanness or lack of caring but because I don’t think it works.
Rocky ranted in his opening statement about how bad the state of affairs is, using actual evidence for a change, and while I agree with his diagnosis of the symptoms, he touched on areas that have been government controlled since the dawn of the progressive era. Hell, our government hasn’t even been able to do basic things like abide by the Constitution or hold free and equal elections! We’re going to trust them with MORE authority?
Anyway, my views aside, I hope all of you grassroots, individual and independent thinkers can find a way to band together on your common ground (civil liberties, actually having elections, etc) for the sake of all of us.
I’d take any of those four over either of the other two. I’m sick to death of being lied to, conned, ‘played’, pandered to, — all while a hidden agenda is worked out behind the scenes.
Excellent Debate! Real Candidates for Real People! Thanks you Christina Tobin, Free and Equal Elections Foundation, Larry King, Gary Johnson, Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein, Virgil Goode, and all the Sponsors who made this debate possible. I would also like to thank C-SPAN for airing the debate in response to our phone calls and letters. The corporate owned media and corporate owned candidates days are numbered.
Excellent Debate! Real Candidates for Real People! Thank you Christina Tobin, Free and Equal Elections Foundation, Larry King, Gary Johnson, Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein, Virgil Goode, and all the Sponsors who made this debate possible. I would also like to thank C-SPAN for airing the debate in response to our phone calls and letters. The corporate owned media and the corporate owned candidates days are numbered.
What a refreshing experience to hear these four candidates. I favor Jill Stein because she
links global warming issues and job creation in a concrete way. I am not sure the other candidates spoke of initiatives that specific. Also she doesn’t propose to slash government to the point of having to deal with the consequences of how that would play out economically – what would be the ripple effect of a balanced budget? I did not hear specifics from the others about that. I think the deficit is a threat, but other issues are even a bigger threat. I support her approach the most, but appreciate and respect all of the candidates. I was going to vote Democrat but I cannot cast my vote now for a system that is so damaged.
is this debate posted online anywhere?
i want to make it available for my students to watch.
Here’s a link
try this link – the youtube didn’t work for me – http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/308995-1
I would love to see a debate that includes Gary Johnson and Pres Barack Obama. I believe if people could see that they would understand that there is an alternative that we can stand behind.
The debate was truly enjoyable. Of course I didn’t agree with every candidate on every issue, but it was nice to see a debate where the contenders actually DISAGREE. Every one of them did a good job in their own way, and I give credit to them all.
Unfortunately,with our political system being structured the way it is, some of the best candidates don’t have a chance…yet!!!
Voting for democrats, especially progressive one’s, will help this country for the time being but we need to change some of the rules in the political games being played in Washington
So that Washington gets back to looking after we the people and not we the corporations.
Democrats are just as pro-corporation as the Republicans. Voting for Democrats will change nothing.
When the debate first came on, and we were listening to the moderators opening rambling, circular rant I thought “Oh…my..Gawd..America will never listen to this, this is a joke” But I am glad I kept listening past the opening stuff. I am very much with Gary Johnson but I wanted to hear more about green energy. Im not a total supporter of Johnson’s platform but, from what I know so far, he is the closest to my ideas of what is and what should be. Based on the conduct of the debate and the performance of the candidates, I think we still have a long way to go before mainstream America can begin to take the idea of a third party candidate seriously.
I believe Virgil Goode won this debate and should be at the next one on October 30
Virgil Goode is awful! The guy is just as bad as Obama and Romney.
Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)Voted YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)Voted YES on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998))He cosponsored H.R. 4777 – the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act. (2006)
The guy has been both a Democrat and a Republican.
How can you like this guy?
How can I get tickets for the Washington, DC debate?
This was awesome! Real candidates who actually mean what they say! Awesome to hear that hemp should be legalized! I like to eat hemp seeds for the health benefits.
Betsy Ross made the first flag of the United States of America out of the finest, strongest fiber available, hemp fabric. “It is also said that the finest laces of the olden days were always made of hemp in preference to any other fiber.” -Herndon, p.154.
-U.S.A. Hemp Museum
Lets not forget, it was not just any string that connected Dr. Ben Franklin to the clouds above for his famous kite experiment, it was hemp. And he also loved wearing it.
The Declaration of Independence was drafted on Hemp paper by our founding
fathers and farmers, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.
“Make the most of the hemp seed and sow it everywhere.”
– General George Washinton (Our most famous Hemp Farmer)
I am so thankful that I had a chance to hear these candidates!! I admire each of them for their hard work and for being our voice. Each one has something unique and important to offer our country.
I applaud your sponsorship of these debates. But as all 4 candidates states, top two voting is wrong. Bring ALL FOUR back for the second debate.
All four of these candidates are better choices than tweedledee or tweedledum.
Did anyone else choose Rocky and Jill? I think it’d be interesting to see those two debate.
I didn’t agree with Virgil Goode, but damn it if he wasn’t a class act.
I was disappointed in the discussion regarding what amendment to the Constitution would you propose. Yes, let us propose an amendment to a document that is for all practical purposes ignored. What was needed is a discussion about how to restore constitutional government.
The discussion regarding the Patriot Act and the NDAA were on point in this regard. No one even mentioned the Federal Counterfeitng Agency except in reference to “printing” money.
I liked them all; it was hard to choose after Jill. All different, all real people not cardboard.
All four candidates provided valuable insights into critical national issues that our big money owned democrat and republican duopoly has effectively silenced discussion on. Some of the ideas of these four candidates are deemed threatening to the status quo interests of our nations plutocracy and therefore are not tolerated for national debate. On some of the key issues that are bankrupting our nation, we do NOT have any real differences between the democrat and republican parties. We instead get a little window dressing and lots of talk.
Make this election day our nations INDEPENDENTS DAY. From president down to local librarian vote for anyone other than a republican or democrat. Vote for third party candidates. If no third party candidate is available, write in your name, your friends name or Santa Claus if you must. Or just leave it blank. I personally am voting for Virgil Goode at the top. I don’t agree with everything Virgil stands for, but I believe he represents a nice challenge to the big domestic and foreign money interests that control our nation..
A note to Jill Stein:
Please don’t call for “free” government programs. Nothing is free! Be honest and call them taxpayer funded programs.
Candid answers. I loved the format. Imagine a prime time debate on mainstream media outlets where a candidate says;
“I’ve smoked marijuana and drunk alcohol. I can tell you that alcohol is much more dangerous,”
I wish someone would have addressed the “Free” education Jill was speaking to. Nothing is free. Free means someone, somewhere, provided it for you at a cost to them that you’re not aware of. I’m reminded of the following whenever I hear a politician mention the word “free.”
The Decline of a Free Republic, A Historical Perspective by Alexander Tyler – 1887
A Free Republic is always temporary in nature. It simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
A Free Republic will continue to exist up until the time voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate who promises the most benefit from the public Treasury with the result that every Free Republic will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy which is always immediately followed by a dictatorship!
The average age of the worlds greatest Republic societies has always averaged to be around 200 years.
During those 200 years every Republic has followed this general sequence:
1-From Bondage to Spiritual Faith
2-From Spiritual Faith to Great Courage
3-From Great Courage to Liberty
4-From Liberty to Prosperity and Abundance
5-From Prosperity and Abundance to Complacency
6-From Complacency to Apathy
7-From Apathy to Dependency
8-From Dependency back into Bondage.
Where is America in this sequence?
Your right but you should know, no Democracy has ever survived
I’d say we are solidly in the transition described in stage 7. But I would argue that there will be an 8th and 9th stage in our country which will be:
8-From Dependency to Collapse
9-From Collapse to Revolution
I would strongly prefer that we have ALL FOUR Candidates return for next weeks debate. I am certain that we would benefit from learning about ALL FOUR Candidates insights and ideas at next weeks foreign policy debate.
Bring back ALL FOUR candidates for next weeks debate. They ALL have valuable fresh perspectives and insights that we can all learn from.
Christina Tobin ate up a lot of time at the beginning. What is up with her giggles and laughter? Couldn’t she be a bit serious? Plenty of time was spent on marijuana, drugs etc. The debate did not direct explicit questions on key issues like economy, jobs, trade. Although I must say, I am pleased that finally there is a forum where other candidates are given an opportunity to present themselves and their solutions. I hope there is a marked improvement in the next debate. I am looking forward to it!
Such a new thing, I think it got to her a little. Choked up you know.
Bring back ALL FOUR Candidates for next weeks debate.
ALL FOUR have valuable insights to contribute to the debate.
My personal rankings:1). Virgil Goode2). Rocky Johnson3). Dr. Jill Stein4). Gary Johnson
I voted Gary then Virgil. My second vote was tuff since I am a member of a union, if Virgil doesn’t interfear with state laws I’m good with that choice.
Can we rank the moderators? Oy.
Larry sucked with his remark saying the candidates were basically waisting thier time. Thier on the cusp of changing our bi partisan politics
correction to below. Anderson.
1). Virgil Goode….2). Rocky Anderson…3). Dr. Jill Stein….4). Gary Johnson.
But Bring back ALL FOUR candidates to next weeks debate
I don’t understand why people would pick Stein and Anderson to face off against each other. That’s like pointing two mirrors at each other and comparing the reflections. They agree with each on about 90% of the issues. Setting aside the areas where I agree and disagree with their stances, it just wouldn’t be a very interesting debate to watch them pat each other on the back for an hour and a half… Just my opinion…
Gary Johnson was the only of the four candidates to fully recognize that the US government is broke. The most pressing action required of the US government is to stop running up new debt and creating new money. What any credible Presidential candidate needs to talk about is where they are going to cut spending. Johnson hit some of the most urgent items to cut. 1. Foreign wars, military and foreign aid. 2. The insane “War on Drugs” or a more accurate name would be the “War on Human Freedom.” 3. Federal spending on education and guarantees on college loans. All of the four candidates labelled the NDAA as violation of Constitutional and universal human rights and act of tyranny. Yet all of the candidates, except Gary Johnson, proposed US government (at the Federal level) to spend on their pet items that are not authorized by the Constitution. This type hypocrisy by politicians is precisely the cause of the “bill of rights” being declared obsolete. Either the Constitution means what its language says or it does not. Gary Johnson was the only one of the four to recognize that the growth of government is the ultimate threat to our liberty. Only a very small government can be forced to get its hand out of your under ware and your wallet.
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Gary Johnson is the only real choice here.
Taking the Free & Equal debate down to the top two takes away from their credibility for me. The whole concept was that all qualified top tier independents would have a chance to be heard. This is too close to the debate commission taking it down to their top two — the Democrats and the Republicans.
I don’t think he realizes it, and I may be out in left field here, but I suspect that Rocky has been endorsed in order to take sheer votes from Gary Johnson. They both express a lot of similar opinions, and where they differ, Rocky tends to be more liberal (such as being in favor of free education where Gary was in favor of doing away with federal grants, and being in favor of completely doing away with drug prohibition, where gary is specifically in favor of marijuana decriminalization). And although it may sound silly, even the way they look is quite similar, and that will play into people’s subconscious.
Even though Gary is a conservative, it’s going to be mostly liberals that vote for a third party candidate, which is a big part of why I think Rocky, being slightly more liberal than Gary, is there to steal Johnson’s votes. Again, I don’t think he even realizes that’s why he’s being endorsed. He seems genuine in his views. It was just little things that inclined me toward this opinion, like the way he throws in threw in those personal story anecdotes about the drug war. It’s remeniscent of the tactics of the highly-funded demoblican candidates, like he had been coached similarly, but with a lower budget.
Johnson, on the other hand, seems to have coached himself. He still tries some psychological techniques, but they seem to stem from his own understanding of how politics works and are less polished. Like he knows a little about how to work a crowd, but he’s more raw because he has genuine passion about what he’s trying to do.
Like I said, I may be out in left field, but it was just a feeling that kept growing during the debate. I watched it a second time and noticed more indicators, but it’s hard to put into words because it’s a lot of little examples and no singularly convincing big examples. Did anyone else feel this way?
Anyway, I’m for Gary Johnson all the way. None of them really has a chance to win because as long as Citizens United is in place, the elections in this country are bought with cash, but the important thing is to post some double-digit numbers in support of a third-party candidate, and I think Johnson is the one that might be able to do that. The higher we can get those third party numbers, the less ridiculous it becomes to vote for something other than the two main parties in the future.
Gary Johnson vs Jill socialist Stien. The rest of the candidates are better than Jill but still dont understand liberty
HEY! I also want to see Socialists –Jerry White–in this debate! Why isn’t HE on the list???
After these debates establish the strongest of these four candidates, could we not all agree to get behind the strongest one united and go for a win?
Bruce Lohmiller (President 2012) I would like to participate
WHY does it have to be ONLY 2 of them? What good does that do???
Free and equal? I think Presidential candidate Tom Hoefling should have been included. He has ballot access in states representing 76% of the electoral votes. He has ideas not shared by any of the included candidates.
I was SO impressed with the third party candidate debate last night. More real issues than not just the three Obama/Romney debates but more substance than the two mainstream campaigns combined in totality. Thank you so much for just being there and doing what you do, Free and Equal.
Gary Johnson says he will submit a balanced budget the first day in office. We take in $2.1 trillion a year in taxes and spend $3.5 trillion. Gary should provide details of his budget and how he will balance it. If not, he is no different than Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dum (Gary’s words).
Is it possible for the 3rd party candidates to unite on core issues and just promote one candidate for the next election? Perhaps create a new party called the “3rd Party” that can have a fighting chance to win in 2016.
This doesn’t end November 6th. We need to coalesce our efforts to become a force to be reckoned with, and end the strangle hold the two bought & paid for parties have over our hijacked government.
Jill Stein , rocks ! Go Jill
Jill and Rocky must join hands.I feel Green and Justice parties must form a political coalition.They have the best policies.
I’m a Jill Stein and Green Party supporter, but I have to say that Rocky Anderson is a much stronger debater, although I don’t agree with a lot of what he says.
Also why are we voting and giving preference to people? Isn’t the whole point that all people who are qualified get a voice/platform????
With my vote, I’m rewarding the two parties who have done the most to break up the two-party system, the Greens and the Libertarians. The name/face on the ballot will change, but breaking out of our two-party straitjacket is going to take years of organized work. Let’s support those doing that work.
Tired of the status quo!
I feel pretty ignorant for not knowing who jill stein was until the other day. I agree with her policies 100% . She is a humanitarian who has a real plan for saving this country! I’m voting with my conscious this November.
If I had one wish regarding this debate, that wish would be that all interested voters in the US got to see this. It would be so enlightening to the persons who only watch our corporate owned media and buy into the 2 party candidates they push. People who are too lazy or don’t know any better to do proper research will never know about these candidates and where they stand. They don’t know about the issues of NDAA, the military-industrial complex, and erosion of our civil liberties. I just want to thank Free and Equal for doing their part in opening the eyes of the American citizens.
Great debate! I was so inspired and learned so much! On another note, I couldn’t help but chuckle at the music.
Why have a runoff at all? Simply a second debate.
Jill Stein with Rocky Anderson as VP. That’s the ticket.
Live Free. Gary Johnson!
I voted but you have no option of none of the above. When I made a first choice you had no right to number the others for me. What if I did not wish to choose the others in a numerical order? What if I wanted to do a write in or none of the above.
I agree—-VONC or NOTA should be on every political ballot in this country…
for the uninitiated, VONC = Vote of No Confidance; NOTA = None of the Above.
The Constitution Party candidate’s views are totally out of line with the Constitution!
The only one not a complete loon is Virgil Goode. GO VIRGIL!
well done by all candidates and free and equal . If we could get a billion dollars into the hands of these candidates and organizations like free and equal we could actually solve the problems this nation is facing.We need to encourage all to at least listen to these candidates before they cast their vote.
Great debate!!! Thats how debates should be. Straight to the point with no glitz or glamour. These candidates are FOR the people not secretly trying to harm them. All of them had great points and Virgil, although not my preference, he is still standing for those who believe in him and I respect him for just being there and sharing with us. Jill, Rocky & Johnson were great and as a student, I appreciated their view on student loans. Nothing in the country is free and it will never be. Johnson 2012
Last night’s third-party debate was designed to give a voice to candidates who lack sufficient support to appear in the Rep/Dem debate. Now you want us to vote to determine which 3rd party candidates have sufficient support to appear in your second debate? Seems a wee bit hypocritical, don’t you think? I say let all 4 candidates appear in your next debates.
Time limits! When you have less candidates each one has more time to talk. Why there is time limits? I don’t know. Maybe because it’s on C-SPAN. I think they should do it like The Daily Show and have an overtime that is not viewed on network TV and is viewed by Internet watchers.
It is sort of hypocritical, but in a way, it is the right thing to do. Think of it as a sporting contest. Last night was the semi-finals and next week will be the finals. It’s not as if you cant still vote for whoever is not included in the second debate. But having only two people will allow for a more concentrated discussion. It will most likely wind up being Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson since The green and justice party’s platforms are basically mirrors of each other and the libertarian party is the only real stark contrast (at least economically).
Statistically speaking, Gary Johnson has the best chance to actually win the general election given his much larger following and he is very much alike the green/justice parties when it comes to social issues. Given that, I would encourage everyone to rally behind Gary and help him get more than 5% of the vote in the general election which would would be a huge blow to the two party system as a whole. Im sure everyone here would agree that he is a much better candidate than Obama/Romney. I realize that for some of you this would be a form of “lesser of two evils,” but if you really think about it, that is the nature of compromise. Once we put a substantial hole in the wall that is the two party duopoly, then there will be more room for debate on the differences between the libertarian and green/justice parties on a much grander stage. United we will stand, but divided we will fall.
Gary Johnson 2012
That was awesome! I found myself gleefully laughing with suprise on account of honesty at a political debate. Who’da thought? It was such a necessary and enriching conversation. I thought everyone presented their views well. Go Jill and Rocky!
It’s hard to rank the four candidates as ranking them implies that I dislike any of them. I do not agree with some of Virgil Goode’s policies, but like he said, he’s going to give it to you straight. This debate introduced me to Rocky Anderson. Thank you so much for doing this.
“Nothing is Free” Gary Johnson
SO real, soooo true. Things are bloated to the point of bust.
When Ron Paul was asked if he’d endorse a 3rd party candidate,his reply was, “I’d like to see a 2nd party candidate” The Libertarians have fought the good fight for decades and it’s time they assumed their position of protectors of liberty and freedom at the higher and highest levels.
They’ve been around looong before the other 3rd parties, took their lumps, paid their dues ,learned from experience and this shows by their previous and current abilities to have the highest ballot access for voters outside of the Republicrats and Demlicans.
My understanding is that one must sign a pledge to adhere to the party principles, which means that contractually, all of their candidates are bound to it at the risk of at least total hypocracy or perhaps even legal reprimand. You’re not voting so much for the person as you are the party, though individual integrity is a major factor.
Drop the division, The Libertarian Party is the umbrella for which all non-alligned,independant,and 3rd party people,as well as a hefty percentage of the 2 “major party” foot soldiers can get out of the miserable weather raining down from the 2 trouble makers.
STARTING NOW, and continuing In 2016, the Third Party needs to focus on the NINE or less swing states, get someone born and raised in one of these states to run as third party independent focus on that state and get just over one third of the presidential vote in that one state, TALK ABOUT A MEDIA FIRESTORM. The Republicans and Democrates and Media have PROVEN you can IGNORE 40 of the United States and get re-elected. It will take only one of these swing states voting 35% third party to GET MEDIA ATTENTION which would spark a national debate. Another suggestion: Green Party people, you need to use the word “POLLUTION” not global warming and climate change to get your message across,, even a Republican can understand the concept of Water and Air Pollution.
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Where is the Socialist Candidate Roseanne Barr???????????????????
How can this be a “Free and Open” Debate without all voices to be expressed???????????
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That debate was like fresh air.
I’d like to see Rocky and Jill debate so I can see what, if any, differences there are in their political beliefs.
I was going to vote for Gary Johnson. But Rocky and Jill are equally as good! Why do we have to have one winner? Why can’t the three of them lead us as a team? They can all help each other figure out the best solutions.
I have already cast my real ballot for Jill Stein so of course I support her Here
Free & Equal should be the official host of all political debates,you did a great job. We need more real questions ask and real people to answer them,with real debates we should see some real solutions. Jill Stein have a real solution with public banking,i hope she has the chance to explain it more?
Just want to add that Christina Tobin did a great job as Mediator. Very cute, and who was that old guy next to her?
Virgil Goode doesn’t get it! The war on drugs is THE litmus test!
All the candidates deserve praise for fighting in what they believe in.
Gary Johnson did the best. He was clear about his positions and his visions. At times he went to his talking points, but overall he won.
I think Rocky was slightly better then Jill. Rocky came across better with his message. Jill seemed nervous and I felt she struggled at times speaking, but her Green New Deal showed she has a vision of how to jump start our economy, education, and make us energy independent. But how do I either of these candidates do all this and balance the budget? Maybe they will be specific in the next debate?
Virgil has to be respected because he stood by his positions and did not pander to the crowd. He made some good points especially in regards to our budget problems, but the majority of the time he didn’t use all his allotted time failing to take advantage of the opportunity to introduce himself and all his positions.
Really dissappointed that there wasn’t any real talk about the Federal Reserve.
Jill Stein killed! Her message speaks to my own beliefs and her compassion for the people of this nation tells me she would set plans to lift up the 99%. She is also on more ballots than any other candidate and is apart of the largest third party in America. Jill Stein 2012!
Love the Constitution Party Platform. The one thing that is noticably lacking in the mainstream presidential debates is the mention of the Constitution.
Go Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson the only two fighting for the Environment.
The question on what constitutional amendment they would craft was a doozy! Even I had to think about that and it is the kind of tough question that we the general public needs to hear. Though having the constitutional party candidate in the debate almost give him/her an unfair advantage for the question… LOL!
Anyone notice how the Economy is so bad, no one is talking about Abortion, the topic that for decades has kept the duopoly in power, back and forth, discussing a topic (abortion) that will probably never change one way or the other, yet it was their CORE BELIEF for raising money and winning elections (up until 9-11). Thanks to the Bad Economy, Third Party might have a chance in 2016.
Jill Stein is the only one who can get us past Global Warming. She could save everybody on this planet from death! Maybe Rocky Anderson too who got a lot of Environmental Awards. They should join together in the fight to save this planet.
The Wall Street Empire’s two-party machine does not want people to think about issues, just be afraid of the other party so they’ll stay in the corporate two-party crap trap!
I don’t want major floods, oil spills, chemicals dumped on our water from fracking(so called Natural Gas), Massive islands of plastic in our oceans, and or worse radiation spread everywhere from the Nuclear Power Plants having disasters like what happened in Japan. We have 100 nuclear plants in the U.S. imagine the devastation. Or we could shut it all down with Jill Steins Green New Deal! I can give a damn if she’s a socialist or not. Fact is she could save everyone!
Frankly and straight to the point, my choice was somebody you didn’t see here—Merlin Miller. Why? It is because he has made a centerpiece of ridding this country without ceremony of the single biggest and most destructive tumor in our entire national life: the hoax calling itself the “federal reserve bank”, It is my sincere belief at this time and until I see proof to the contrary, that Merlin would walk the talk—-I mean Hogan’s Alley if necessary—-to purge this country of the deadly toxin of the totally treasonous and execrable fraud of ANTI-Constitutional unbacked fiat debt bearing fake currency that we have been cursed with for a century. That has simply got to come first…and that having been done you would be staggered at how rapidly the drug war (as opposed to the misnomered “war on drugs”), the ever self-bloating military industrial complex, the private and entirely profit-driven prison INDUSTRY….and all the rest of the filth and moral leprosy and sociopathy that have killed this country dead as a once free nation would drop dead in its claw tracks.
…But to play the game by the house rules I went ahead and ranked Gary first here as I believe at this point he most closely approximates Merlin Miller.
3rd party debate great to hear issues the corrupt twosome Mittbama won’t dare touch…. the NDAA? mitt can’t use that against obama because the gop was all for it!! The horrid taxation system that needs a complete overhaul… no way, the dnc and rnc just want to slightly tweak it!!
Thank you for giving us this opportunity.
Virgil Goode can’t speak weil I could barely get what he was saying, also he doesn’t want paid education for no one. The Montgomery GI Bill has worked for me under his plan there would be no assistance like the GI BIll for college. I got my associates and most of my Bachelors done with the GI Bill.
Virgil Goode is not in enough ballots to win
He’s also only likely to win Virginia
I think the whole 2012 end of the world thing could just be more of a new beginning for the people of earth. Don’t think the planet is going to explode, but there are definitely some big changes coming. Great job to everyone involved with this debate.
Dr. Jill Stein is our BEST choice. Her plan solves all problems. Unlike Gary Johnson that supports Dangerous Nuclear Energy to possibly blow the whole U.S. with disasters like what happened in Japan when their Nuclear Blew Up. Jill Stein wants to get rid of Nuclear and Nuclear waste! There are 100 nuclear reactors in the U.S.
92% of us have jobs so jobs is not important what is is crime white collar (funny crime is crime) more white collar has been committed in the last 12 years then totals of all the past and yet nobody goes to jail!!!! Just think if we put these crooks in jail!! Think all the JOBS this well create building and staffing prisons
Rocky Anderson and Jill Stein seem to be today’s George McGovern – the greatest candidate the national ticket has ever offered. Unfortunately the country prefers carnage, explosions, torture, rape and plunder to an enhanced quality of life for all.
Please sign this petition to get the 3rd parties to unite next election!
I knew all about Johnson and Jill but never knew a justice party even exsisted till I watched this third party debate.I have to admit in the end I felt I sided most with rocky and been inspired to look in to the justice party now and feel as if I finally found a more logicaly,liberty,justice for all and responsiblity driven party I can connect with on most issues.
Informative debate and would have loved to see these in the national picture however my vote is for our president so may God bless America & President Barack Obama.
The Most Important Issue is The Environment! Because no Environment no us! Human Race would be extinguished. The Planet would continue without us! We need Dr.Jill Stein as President so we could reverse this and prevent it from happening. While you’re at it install dimmer switches, LED bulbs, solar power, and wind power on your homes. Also use Reel Mowers instead of gas they cut better more evenly and there are very good ones now like Fiskars at Lowes with 5 star reviews. The blades don’t have to be sharpen and you can cut through twigs stems leafs and other things that would make other reel mowers get stuck. Plus you don’t pollute and you save money because Reel Mowers don’t cost anything to operate them you just push. It’s light to push and you get more exercise. Which means you’ll get healthier and buffer. It’s a win win and many people can do these things. Also they have Eco Lifetime adjustable Heat/Aircontioner furnace filters that are rewashable to reduce landfill waste. Buy Eco products to try to help the environment.
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Best debate I’ve ever seen…
There are free things because the fed can just print more money to pay off those things.
That causes inflation, it is not free.
The federal reserve could print out a giant bill say it’s worth 16 trillion dollars and pay off our debt
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So Gary Johnson is wrong there are free things.
The ground produces free fruits, vegies, grains, etc… all we have to do is keep planting.
enjoyed the debate, but did not change my mind, I am still voting for Virgil Goode for President, I will have to write him in because here in Pa. he is not on our ballot, but I was impressed with some of the others!
And the seeds that come from those plants can be planted again and again and again with the freebees.
Also the sun gives us solar power for free and the wind power is free. You can’t charge the sun nor the wind.
There is free wild onion growing across my property and others here in Elizabethton, TN. I didn’t plant them but I eat them.
I am so pleased that third-party candidates had a chance to speak. I am exhausted with the Republican and Democrat dialogue singing the same song. The candidates are well-read and qualified to go forward to alter the landscape of a stagnate landscape full of corpses. The system is unsustainable domestically, and our foreign policy needs a tune-up. The candidates offered insight pertaining to national debt, student debt, economy, fair-living wage, taxes, in-equality, corporatism, militarism, national security, marriage, patriot act, and deviance of the Constitution. The debate was well done especially when Dr. Stein clearly outlined that corporations have the power to organize money. However; the people have power to organize and change by a vote.
Lol I could give a inflation and economy lesson on how printing money isn’t free but I am not going to type all that out on a iPhone. planting isn’t free,you need to pay for land,seeds,water,equipment and depending on what ur planting and how much and how your going about it,you’ll like have to pay government for approval to plant.solar and wind power is not free again you’d have to pay for materials to build the devices,tools,batteries land-area to place them..nothing’s free
It’s good that you’re all inclined to hear out third, fourth, fifth parties etc. but only 685 comments? You have to get your message out. And the presidency is your fatal flaw, if one of your canidates won the presidency, how are they supposed to affect change with the legislative branch being both Dem/Rep? You’re doing this backwards, start fielding state by state house/senate races, then field a body within the legislative branch, from that alone, the following that put those legislative members in would be a prime base in which to field a prez canidate.
Rocky killed it! Great debate and can’t wait for Oct. 30, everyone should spread the word!
I really appreciate the debate. It was far more civil and informative than the professional wrestling like debates with the two hydra heads. I would like to see Gary Johnson debate Jill Stein in the October 30th debate.
There are many free things. What the hell is Gary Johnson talking about.
Oops I guess that should’ve been a question mark not a period.
I love this idea & will encourage others to open their eyes!
Jill Stein is the best choice.
I saw all the Expanding The Debates done by Democracy Now and the debate between Jill and Gary on the Independent Voter Network and debates conducted much earlier by Progressive Radio Network and Gary Null and those were good, but this really dealt specifically with issues that really haven’t had much coverage. I would really like to hear Obama & Romney address issues that only the third party candidates have addressed, but I know that will never happen. As a result I would prefer any of these four candidates to either of those two. The only choices I see is whether you are going to give into the fear concerning one of those two corporate candidates and vote for the other or if not which of these four you prefer. Personally I think that voting for the lesser of two evils means you are still voting for evil and concerning the future that may be the real waste of a vote and of course not voting at all is in essence a vote for those guys too and is definitely a waste of a vote. I believe every vote for a third party candidate whether it is for one of these four or someone else is a real vote for the future and a protest vote against the corporate candidates. Such votes will help make third party candidates viable candidates, which is really inevitable as far as I can see. It is a matter of time before so many become disillusioned with the mainstream candidates and mainstream media that change will take place. The masses will not remain asleep forever! They will not continue looking for the status quo to show them the way when it continually fails them…
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Johnson and Stein would be a good debate. The Green Party’s idea to cut corporate welfare and bail out school debt is a wonderful idea. I think the Greens could bring jobs as well. You know, the infrastructure rebuilding jobs and green jobs that Obama has a desire to create. The Dems talk a lot.
I like some of the ideals associated with Libertarianism, I just fear what the corporations could do if there were no regulations, no minimum wage, etc. What will happen to all the people on government assistance? Those in public housing? I ask the same if Romney wins.
I liked the idea of ending immigration until unemployment is below 5% here.
I also liked the idea of term limits for Congress.
Luved this debate … thank you for doing this wish it wlda started when the other two idiots did this wlda got more veiwers for sure because it adressed things the ppl care about
I thought Virgil Goode was awesome! he stuck to his guns even if it didn’t agree with the other candidates. Go Goode!
I thought Virgil Good was AWESOME! he really stuck to his guns even if it conflicted with the other candidates! Go Goode!
Not to mention he’s the only candidate that’s been in the actual federal government…
Imagine food everywhere. Grown locally in our Gardens. No one would ever starve. That’s Jill Steins plan organically grown local food, loaded with nutrients, and a sustainable environment where we could keep this up and going forever! Nobody would ever starve they could grow their own food and or walk to a neighbor next door to get more food if they run out or need something that they are not themselves already growing. It would be an amazing world. Alternative Energy would clean up the Environment. It would be like a perfect UTOPIA where we all share.
Roseanne Barr did not win for The Green Party Nomination Jill Stein did. Roseanne I think polled 5 percent in California under the Peace and Freedom Party. No word if she was on the ballot in any other states. Also she lives in Hawaii so transporting her that long distance everytime over the ocean is risky she would be the candidate most likely to die in a plane crash during or before holding office. She also sounds mean to a lot of people. No offense though
I think meth should remain illegal along with crack, because crack can kill your heart the first hit and meth could condemn a whole house. I’ve seen it happen.
Marijuana stinks, causes anxiety and paranoia. Ciggarettes are far worse however killing 160,000 people a year.
Vila,You mean imagine a perfect socialist community where all the citizens were land owners,had stable income and will,time needed to plant and maintain a garden and the will to share their hard earned fruits of labor for their family to their neighbor who had a bad planting season..come back to reality,personal responsibility and logical realm of the world please
There should be a war on drugs but pick the right ones dammit! Like alcohol, ciggarettes, meth, etc…
The Constitution was mentioned several times
Hemp should be a topic discused. There are litterally a 1,000 uses for the stuff and it can stop deforrestation in it’s tracks
We don’t need less trees at a time when the world is suffering enough with polluted air, water, drought, forrest fires, floods that could be absorbed by trees, etc…
Trees clean the air and water
Why are we only going to hear from two? I want an all inclusive debate. Please explain.
More veggitation equals less floods
Any war on drugs is a waste of money and police resources,let alone a violation on freedom of choice and a attack on liberty and personal rights
I thought we were still at four until the people voted and narrowed it down
Well done to everyone who brought us this debate!!(there were plenty of technical slip ups, but hey, it’s worth it to have some real discussion for once)! Me, I’d like to see Gary Johnson and Jill Stein go at it next week. Gary’s definitely the more powerful presenter of the two, but Jill’s opinions are right on par with his (in correspondence to my own, that is). If anything, that would be the great decider for me. But no matter what happens…PLEASE bring Larry King back to moderate!
So cassidy you are for meth labs then?
but on your supporting spying on our citizens by helicopter I would be fearful you would be crossing the line of privacy and supporting the police state moto agenda and there for would not stand with you likely on the usage of our police force in that matter
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Well I’m not I’m for the police helecopters with infrared that catch people doing that stuff in their homes and shuts them down.
Read all comments made by me on the drug war issue please and realize I established clearly I am for anything that can safely be done and wouldn’t pose any danger to the environment or effect any othere person beyond the producer or user of that myth lab in a dangerous health hazard way..the myth lab was nothing but the few worst examples of drug usage purposes to test my views of stands on the drug war ..if you read all my statements I clearly state my stance on being against the war on drugs but for the restrictions and prostitution at this point of most myth labs since it near impossible to safely produce the chemical filled drug that spread dangerous toxic waste
If that’s what someone wishes to do with thier time,land and life and able to prove they follow safety and environmental safety laws of the land then yes I am all for the freedom of that citizen to be a what I see as a dumbass and build a meth lab
There are three house in my area that have been condemned already for the stuff.
I’ll be damned if they are going to get away with that shit in private and affect all our healths in the area. Especially those who go buy the house afterwards not knowing meth was used there and they get sick.
Meth is a big problem here in Tennessee
Jill Stein said it herself she is for legalizing marijuana but not every drug!
Obviously if it is a health risk or environmental threat ti the state and community,it would legally be shut down,once found.
Thank You cassidy for that last comment. It proves we need a drug war against certain drugs we don’t want in our areas because they pose a risk to everyone. Lots of love Ed
I heard marijuana causes testicular cancer
No one should be given the power or right to condem another persons life style or restrict a persons rights of freedom of liberty,choice and happiness..rather it’s a choice we personally view as foolish and unhealthy for that person Or not.
I don’t know if it’s true though, never heard of anybody I knew personally getting it
Yes they should because if that persons lifestyle is preventing others from living a healthy life themselves, then they should be stopped.
Thats not supporting a drug war it’s disapproving a persons rights to over tide another’s ..once it’s proven the production of anything dramatically enough damages the land or others then restrictions and haults to that production should be implemented.common humanity rights sense IMO
Tell that to the oil companies, fracking companies, coal land removal companies, and nuclear companies, that can and do affect us all.
Not to mention the military that has the biggest foot print on our global warming problem cassidy
I don’t hate you cassidy I just think you are misguided
I think it’s fine to have us rate all four. I don’t agree that it is at all fine too narrow field of 4 to a still more narrow field of 2. Jesus, leave them all out there, please.
This was a debate of issues with substance and no pandering to the voters. Candidates expressed their views without any fear of offending donors. They were honest and straightforward. Good job to freeandequal.org.
Alright Cassidy we’ll send all the meth people to your area. lol just kidding
Rather we like it or not,our military ability,technology and the best voluntary trained soldiers is what gives us so much power in the world.i agree the military industrial motivation of profiting off war and using our military to invade or controll another country or used to kill innocent civilians needs to stop and we need to have better responsibility with our military spending and usage and need to respect other countries rights more often
The biggest problems we have are the military pollution and coal plants pollution. They are the two biggest causes of Global Warming. The military creates 750 million barrells of nuclear waste a year.
Jill Stein want to reduce the military, bring the troops home, and end the nation building transportation waste.
Lol long as they some how figure out a environmentally friendly and safe way to produce meth,they are welcome in my community
She want’s to reduce the bloated military spending
So does rocky
So does Rocky what cassidy?
Well if they come up with an environmentally safe way to do all drugs then I’m all up for making every drug legal then.
When I read a message board like this, I know there are better days ahead. We just have to keep agitating and educating. We’re fast getting the numbers and the population has moved left of the two major corrupt parties. And congrats to the 3rd Party candidates. Great job.
Oh I think you mean Rocky Anderson also wants to reduce the bloated military
That rocky also Wants to reduce wasteful spending of the military
I like Jill and Rocky, but to me Johnson is just another capitalist libertarian who won’t lift a finger to help the working class and by extension, will only help the rich and the corporations. And Goode is a fascist and a theocrat, and I would rather die than vote for him.
Yeah but Rocky can’t make it even if we all voted for him because he is not on enough ballots and we all know most states don’t count write ins plus the electoral college picks the president. They pick who has the highest chances of winning 270 electoral votes. That would be Barrack, Romney, Gary Johnson, and Jill Stein.
Well josh don’t worry Goode will definitely not be president he isn’t on enough ballots
Ooooh! Ahhhh! I am seeing some wonderful and “Good” American Spirit in the comments here.
I also perceive the beginning of a path to go around the status quo establishment here.
My gratitude to “Free and Equal” and you Good People for being and participating here. Such gives me Hope. Inspires me to keep trying.
Johnson though we could see a nuclear disaster in the future for america because he want to continue and possibly increase nuclear energy production. If one of the hundred goes boom in this country we all mutate into teenage mutant ninja turtles and kick washingtons ass.
Lol well if we’re now just focussing on who to vote for based on who has a chance to win then I think Jill may not be the choice for you also along with rocky
Did anyone else choose Rocky Anderson and Jill Stein?
We could veto legislation too Gary like we did with SOPA. What we wanna hear is what legislations you have approved and will approve to improve our lives in this country
Let’s take our country back from banks and Corporations. Let’s exercise the government of, by and for the real people. Let’s make our public servants serve the public and be kept accountable. Let us be leaders of peace on earth.
There are so many Third party candidates not being included. Free and Equal is almost as bad as the regular debates.
Stewart Alexander – Socialist Party USA
Roseanne Barr- Peace and Freedom Party
Peta Lindsay – Party for Socialism and Liberation
Jill Stein has a chance at winning 270 electoral votes. Also if she pulls just 5 percent of the vote she will get 20 million dollars federal matching funds to run in 2016 which would garantee her the victory then. She needs all your votes. Cassidy
I would like to share the debate with others that missed it. What is the URL for last nights debate?
Gary Johnson! If I could pick a second, it would be Jill stein.
Also the popular vote could influence the electoral college to change their minds and pick Dr. Jill Stein.
With Jill Stein as President we could all have solar and wind powered houses and electrical cars that would hook up to the house to recharge from the sun and wind.
Well Ty for this discussion but I have to get going.ty for holding these debates and introducing new ideas and parties in the political public view and I look forward to the next debate all tho I do fear this narrowing down to two cannidates will most likely go to Johnson and Jill based on them already having a following and being in more developed parties then the others..either way I am sure it will be the best formed debate with more to be heard and to think about then any main stream debate so still psyched for the next debate to take place and thankful for the choice to vote on it and discuss it here
There is nothing to think about SAVE THE PLANET and with it ALL OF US on it! Vote Jill Stein
I was going to vote for Ron Paul but then I found out he couldn’t win. So then I was going to vote for Gary Johnson but then I found out he supported the extremely dangerous nuclear energy. So I looked elsewhere and found Jill Stein read all about her and then Rocky Anderson and I made my choice to go with Dr. Stein. Bill Stein lol just kidding.
I voted Virgil Goode, friend of Ron Paul, and libertarian /Constituionalist!
Now, THATS WHAT I CALL A DEBATE! Virgil, you did fine, standing alone when you had to even among fellow Independents. Keep the faith brother, Well done ALL! Professionally conducted, respect shown ALL THE WAY AROUND! The people allowed to be THE PEOPLE, not made to be robotized sheep.
Let’s see Goode and Johnson!
Besides we could use a female president for a change. We’ve already had a black president barrack Obama, a crippled president Franklin D. Roosevelt, why not a woman President? Then maybe an Asian President or Indian President.
Until we get this diversity shit out of our minds. We are all ONE
ONE people ONE planet
IN THE EVENT OF AN ELECTION LASTING LONGER THAN FOUR MONTHS, CALL DR. JILL STEIN, GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE!
Is the debate archived anywhere?
Also on the C-SPAN site.
I’m sure you can google it and find it later if not check out Democracy Now on tv and online to find it because I’m sure they’ll have it there if they don’t already have it now.
Well I’m going to go play some basketball. Later
The debate was lively and substantive. Much more real. But given the rare opportunity to hear from these candidates, why narrow down to two for the next debate?
I was quite impressed with this debate. I wish there were more like it. I think that REGARDLESS of your voting preference and the person you actually vote for, it is very important to know what ALL of your options for….even if you end up voting for one of the main party candidates, it is at least the person you feel is BEST SUITED for the position rather than a vote for them because you have NO other choice.
I suppose I ought to be embarrassed to admit that I didn’t recall the party of the bottom three choices.
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Best debate I have seen in years! The real topics were discussed last night that really affect our nation. I could say that I liked a lot of what all four candidates had to say. As for me it was Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode.
Why not include ALL the presidential candidates here, including the Freedom Socialist Party, the Socialist Workers Party, Party for Socialism and Liberation, Peace and Freedom Party, and so on?
Probably in order to not have the small 3rd party debate turned into a complete circus show and turn off any potential independent voters they kept it to candidates that are on the ballot in at least a minimum number of states. That being said, the main reason I’m voting for Johnson is out of the four debaters last night, he is the only one on enough ballots in states with the right amount of electoral votes to mathematically win (I’m not counting write in states as that is a huge long shot to win a state where enough people have to know your name before entering the booth).
Nothing against Virgil, Jill, or Rocky but even if they win all the states they are on the ballot they couldn’t win. I won’t call it a wasted vote as that is an annoying mantra from followers of the R’s and D’s but I’m placing my vote on the only third party candidate that actually could win.
GARY! GARY! GARY!
Ron Paul is who I’d like to vote for in an ideal world. I liked the debate and thought they talked about issues that the R’s and D’s are scared to touch. I liked Goode and Johnson, but any of these 4 would be better than Obama and/or Romney.
A lot of important topics were addressed but there is more!
For example, their stance on GMO food and the issue of supporting and financing Israel.
Liberty won last night… which means Gary Johnson!
Great debate last night! I’d like to see Gov Johnson in the next one. Maybe this time the mainstream media will give it some coverage BEFORE it ocures!
If we lose are Liberty all we will gain is tyranny. If we are too save this nation we need too start working on it now.Spread the word, let youre voice be heard.
Im voting Gary Johnson 2012!
Somehow, we have to get one of these Parties to 5% of the national vote so they will become a mainstream 3rd party in 2016. Since the Libertarians stand the best chance and I prefer Gary already, he has my vote. These four talked about the truth and REAL issues facing our Country, not what the Global Elite Bankster Bilderberger’s wanted us to hear
Why kick one of them off? They all added something to the debate.
At last some real substance. Refreshing.
wow i watched a whole debate without getting a single head ache these canidates are the breath of fresh air in todays stale politics
If Gary wasnt running this year Dr Stein would get my vote
Good to see real patriots fighting for our country. All four of these folks are far better and more genuine than the puppets who get all the attention.
Dear Rocky: Keep the campaign going. Good Luck.
Yes, and there was Illinois, a Green trying to get Rocky Anderson off the ballot… and succeeded. The Greens claimed “ignorance” about that…who knows?
I believe Rocky Anderson has the experience to implement very similar ideas as the Greens’ ideas–and he has already made such ideas come to life, i.e., happen for real! Check out what he’s done – as well as what he’ll do: http://www.voteROCKY.org http://www.JusticePartyUSA.org
Vote for Gary Johnson and Rocky!! I thought I’d like the Constitution Party, but not legalizing marijuana?? PLEASEE!! End the War on Drugs and select the candidates that are for ending it. Thank you!
yes well done! A fascinating debate with thoughts and voices you will never get to hear anywhere else.
No cassidy I am not mean I am smart
Gary Johnson would just lead you into global warming faster while giving all the people and corporations more liberty to pollute all they want.
That’s why we need some regulations and less liberty for polluters because our planet needs us most right now! We need more green party people in office
Gary Johnson wants liberty for all. Liberty for the oil, gas, coal,mercury,nuclear,fracking,and military industrial complex to keep polluting all they want with all their new found liberty.
What’s disgusting is the TV News Media trying desperatly to manipulate the VOTE. Fox news network and CNN are obviously being paid to display bogus information. The ED show is the most honest show I’ve seen !
Below it is stated that Rocky Anderson is on the ballot in 15 states.That is true. However, he will also be counted if you write in his name in an additional 18 states. There is a map at http://www.VoteRocky.org that shows the status of all states. Dark blue means he is on the ballot; light blue means he will be counted as a write-in candidate; gray means they are filing and need volunteers; red means he will not be counted. I think there are only 11 states that will not count votes for Rocky.
This screen is confusing. After my designations, I clicked on “Place Your Vote” at the top of the screen. Is that what I should have done? The screen came back with the slate again, instead of saying something like “Thank you for your vote.” Almost always the button to transmit is located at the bottom of the screen.
Below it is stated that Rocky Anderson is on the ballot in 15 states.That is true. However, he will also be counted if you write in his name in at least an additional 18 states (this number may be 25). There is a map at http://www.VoteRocky.org that shows the status of all states. Dark blue means he is on the ballot; light blue means he will be counted as a write-in candidate; gray means they are filing and need volunteers; red means he will not be counted. I think there are only 11 states that will not count votes for Rocky.
I watched the 3 “other” presidential debates and I wasn’t surprised that my prediction came true: each candidate (puppet) would “win” one apiece and the thrid debate would be a “tie”.
It’s called “performance” for good reason!
Last night we heard a real and meaningful debate. The “other” two candidates declined this debate because they arrogantly believe that only they matter.
HI AND GOD BLESS! I would love and like for Virgil Goode to become President including governor, because he is a true Christian! THANK YOU, AND PEACE, Afeni!
“I think [third-party candidates] deserve a voice… in the Constitution it never says there’s a Democrat or a Republican Party. It never mentions a two-party system.” –Larry King
Americans need more choices than the two-party system offers us in political elections. Many feel that the Democrats and Republicans no longer represent the people. More and more it appears that they are looking out more for the interests multi-national corporations. The failure to include the Libertarian and Green Party Candidates in the recent presidential debates shows the fear that both parties have of being forced to discuss America’s ruinous foreign policy, which has been embraced by both of their parties. American people love too LIE or are so CRAZY for FAKE SHOW. The true is: Nothing about the NDAA, Nothing about the Federal Reserve, Nothing about the Unfunded Liabilities, Nothing about auditing Fort Knox, Nothing about Syria, Nothing about illegal wars, Nothing about Restoring the Constitution, There was NOTHING!! Pulling the U.S. economy back from the brink, and retaliating for the killing of American diplomats took centre stage, during the second Presidential debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. Meanwhile, police arrested Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein and her running mate, Cheri Honkala, after they tried to enter the site of the debate at Hofstra University. Arrest a 3rd party candidate? only in America, what a shinning example. Vote independant, it counts. It forces the mainstream candidates to take them into account when they lack a clear majority. Be independant, vote INDEPENDANT. Dr. Ron Paul, Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Roseanne Barr, and Vermin Supreme should all have their own debate. CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News are owned and operated by the same megacorporations that own and operate the US Federal Government. Do you support third party candidates participating in the official presidential debates? Green Party candidate Jill Stein spent eight hours handcuffed to a chair in police custody on Tuesday after trying to enter the debate hall at Hofstra University. As police surrounded her and her running-mate Cheri Honkala, Stein said, “We’re here to stand our ground. We’re here to stand ground for the American people, who have been systematically locked out of these debates for decades by the Commission on Presidential Debates. We think that this commission is entirely illegitimate; that if-if democracy truly prevailed, there would be no such commission, that the debates would still be run by the League of Women Voters, that the debates would be open with the criteria that the League of Women Voters had always used, which was that if you have done the work to get on the ballot, if you are on the ballot and could actually win the Electoral College by being on the ballot in enough states, that you deserve to be in the election and you deserve to be heard; and that the American people actually deserve to hear choices which are not bought and paid for by multinational corporations and Wall Street.”
I agree…more debate with these third party candidates than all the two party guys…what a pleasure to hear them discuss real issues…Why do they NOT get media attention is perplexing ! I really liked Gov. Gary Johnson and feel he would do the best job of restoring this country and the rights that the two party system have destroyed !
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The top two thing kinda bites. None of the candidates in last night’s debate were in favor of a top-two protocol. It makes sense to limit the debate to two “contestants”. So, I picked the two who were most opposite, because I think that would be most useful in a debate format.
Back in 2008 Ron Paul brought together representatives of the Green Party, the Constitutional Party, Nader’s Independent Party and the LP. At a press conference at the National Press Club in DC they announced a Four Party Fourt Point Joint Statement – an historic event not covered by the media of mass deception. Had the policies set out in that Joint Statement been followed by the Federal Establishment there would have been no crisis of crony capitalism and no Great Recession. More about that here: http://vitaminlawyerhealthfreedom.blogspot.com/2008/09/political-breakthrough-third-party.html
Why was Israel left out of the debate?
The third debate with Obama and Romney, it sounded like they were out doing each other in trying to be president of Israel.
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They need to talk about how the prisons are privatized and locking people up for making choices about what they put in their body is just another excuse for slavery. Before you were a slave because you are black, now you are a slave because you like to get high. Why can’t America grow out of slavery? Just talking about legalizing weed is a cop-out. Prohibition creates a black market and violence. ALL drugs must be legal.
Go Gary Johnson and Judge Jim Gray! Thank you Free and Equal….
Kudos to all of the candidates – they really are a prime example of how an initial debate should be conducted.
Yeah, real clever having Gary Johnson as the only face when posting to Facebook. NOT.
However rewarding the 3rd Party Debate was, it was all for naught. Just as the debates between the black (or semi-black) and white doppelgängers were also all for naught. This is because THE FIX IS IN!
As Virgil Goode might say, “You won’t like to hear this,” but Obama, “The Anointed One,” has been chosen to win another term in office, just as he was chosen to win his first term. But despite the FIX, Obama will use his “Plan B” to ensure his re-election. Here is how he will proceed:
A week before the election Obama will send his marching orders to his “special” supporters. These “special” supporters include members of the old ACORN and ACORN-like “community organizations”; the armed factions of the SEIU, UAW, Teamsters and other labor unions; the New Black Panther Party; the Nation of Islam; Obama’s hitherto unknown private army; the leadership of OWS and its legions of leftist malcontent losers and parasites. (This is just a partial list.)
Under Obama’s tutelage, these special supporters stage protests and demonstrations throughout the land, which all “somehow” lead to riots, race and otherwise. Obama then declares Martial Law throughout the land, and postpones the elections. After a “suitable period,” the riots die down, though sporadic “pockets of resistance” still remain. And after thousands are killed, uncounted are arrested and hundreds of billions of dollars incurred in damages, Obama rescinds Martial Law and reschedules the elections.
He then campaigns aggressively under his new campaign slogan, “Vote For Me, OR ELSE!”
Landslide victory here he comes.
You can’t make these things up.
BTW, if you find “Plan B” implausible or hard to believe, then consider this item:
“Obama to Stage ‘Reichstag’ Event as Trigger for Martial Law?”
The Obama agents, through the DHS and other assorted colluders, are plotting a major `Reichstag’ event to generate racial riots and produce the justification for martial law, delaying the November 2012 elections, possibly indefinitely, a DHS whistleblower informed the Canada Free Press on Tuesday.
The `Reichstag Event’ would take the form of a staged assassination attempt against Barack Obama, “carefully choreographed” and manufactured by Obama operatives. It would subsequently be blamed on “white supremacists” and used to enrage the black community to rioting and looting, the DHS source warned.
The Obama administration would then use the violence and chaos they created as justification for the imposition of martial law in major urban cities in America, the creation of DHS checkpoints, restriction of travel, and the indefinite delay of the November 2012 elections.
The Reichstag event refers to a fire started during Hitler’s rise to power. The fire allowed him to grab emergency powers and murder his opposition. Historians have long believed that Hitler started the fire himself, while he blamed it on the Communists.
Kind of scary, huh?
So which do you think Obama will choose to stay in power despite THE FIX? The “Reichstag Event” or Plan B? My money is on Plan B.
Thanks for reading.
Can we see the results?
Julius I believe the lady moderator next to Larry King said that the results will be given next tuesday
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I hope they pick Jill Stein. They keep saying that she is only on the ballot in 38 states making it seem like you can only vote for her in 38 states but people can vote for her in many more than that.
My dream ticket is Jill Stein for President and RockyAnderson as VP under the Green Justice banner!
All four should get another round of questions. Using a finalist type system provides the opportunity to marginalize some candidates while giving others with more legitimacy, all the while in a forum that is presented as free and equal. Even if it is done via voting, the forum may nonetheless be more familiar with a particular group, such as the libertarians (just for an example). There is nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but the best approach is nonetheless to bring all four back. It is better it remains a debate rather than resembling a primary.
Can we watch a recording of this debate somewhere? I can’t seem to find a link anywhere. I sadly missed the debate up until the closing remarks.
From Ora TV
Forget the leftist Rocky and Jill, we have had enough big government over the past 80 years, we need someone who will actually reduce the size of government and not just give it lip service. We need Gary Johnson
Who WON the Vote for Oct 30th debate?
Send ALL FOUR Candidates to the 2nd debate.
ALL FOUR Candidates have insights and ideas to share that our nation can learn from.
1). Virgil Goode. It was extremely refreshing to observe a politician who is not willing to lie in your face just to try to garner a vote.
2). Rocky Anderson
3). Dr. Jill Stein
4). Gary Johnson.
Again, ALL FOUR candidates have valuable contributions to add to the debate.
Please do NOT shut out two of these very talented folks ala the current duopoly.
You can vote for Jill Stein in 47 states. http://www.jillstein.org/ballot
For some reason it shows ballo… instead of ballot with a letter T at the end.
Devin Lee I agree
Jill Stein has the more long term plan though.
Gary Johnsons plan which includes more oil which will eventually run out, more nuclear which will eventually blow up, and more coal which will eventually run out as well. Is not doable for long term.
We need to switch entirely to renewable energies like solar power, wind power, bio-mass, water power, geothermal, and other renewable resources.
It’s called Alternative Energy or Renewable Energy. It part of Jill Steins Plan THE GREEN NEW DEAL.
Weatherization jobs like caulking, insulation, and others are needed to improve energy efficiency and to take people out of unemployment, and as a plus to save the environment! It’s part of Jill Steins THE GREEN NEW DEAL
It also saves people money on energy use
Dr. Jill Stein makes the most sense to me and I’ve been following politics over 60 years!
I only knew about this today, Wednesday, because it was mentioned on the PBS Newshour program. Am wondering if Free and Equal attempted to get it referenced on the other major networks but were thwarted. I was able to watch it tonight via the PBS link on their website, and found it extremely interesting to hear these views. Having virtually nothing to lose by speaking freely, these candidates expressed ideas and policies that should, but never will, be heard from the D/R candidates.
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Jill Stein !
Rocky did great. He definitely gets my disgust with both of the major parties. Need to get them on an equal footing. Wish I could have voted last night. Computer problems. My vote would have been for Rocky. He debated about real topics.
Hello Brothers (not warner !, on the contrary),
Fuck the author of the survey (“this survey being currently closed”, I just follow the instructions: “contact the author of the survey for further assistance”). Done.
Is the author of the survey a Mit nazi, or an Obama fascist ? Did anyone utter the discredited and disenfranchised word “socialist” as to any of these two individuals ? Who gives a f$$uck anyway (not me and the few whom I know, otherwise I’m sure there are who give some f$$uck about this ungodly classification).
It’s all just an incredible and subtle obamination bordering on the obhorrent and revulsive (I already own the rights on the first two ob-related words, so don’t bother…).
Mit’s names do not bode well with the above type of humor, but The man inspires the same feelings and sensations to me (I wouldn’t be unfair to Mit, to be clear, because I’m an independent demo-publican, or a “fuck-the-poor” adept, as we call ourselves).
I’ll vote for Mit anyway and advise all of you to do likewise for two excellent reasons:
1) I don’t sense a difference in whether it’s Obama, or Mit, sending the army to arrest me/you without charges and counsel, holding me/you indefinitely, without trial, without a requirement to notify anyone, completely incommunicado, me/you being subjected to torture (“enhanced interrogation techniques” for the sensitive ones), based on the president’s determination that I/you might have rubbed shoulders in the subway with someone the same president determined may have had a shoulder rubbing with someone the same president determined might have had an unholy thought about the greatest, deepest, most humane presidential prerogative, namely to singularly and arbitrarily kill any one not deeply appreciating the said prerogative. So, why not vote for Mit, since he doesn’t differ from barak on that ?
2) Mit, being a GW-2 (I don’t mean a # 2, please, the lesser bush was always a # 1 !) for all practical (and conceivable) purposes, will definitely do his handlers’ best to speed up the advent of the armageddon, there by reducing to the smallest thinkable extent our (theirs too ?) suffering, pain etc. inherent to grandeur of a such godly enterprise, like say, gangrene, then swift amputation would be in order.
In any case, general human suffering would obviously be minimal, hence justified !
With Obama, it would be like giving the “most potent” chemotherapy to a dying cancer patient, while being clearly aware of the patient’s dismal prognosis and the horrible side effects of the said therapy. Translation: big $ gains for the “big pharma” and extended torture for the cancer patient. Do we really want our destiny being painfully and artificially postponed ? I believe not. That’s why I vote for Mit, the fast suffering-ender !
On a different note, People, jon stewart is a hopeless funny establishment promoter.
Stephen Colbert’s intellect is at least 3Xstewart’s, his humor is without equal and his relevance is almost complete: unfortunately, despite his deeper than anyone’s, his interpretations of past/current/future events do NOT move him from the social category he loves to ridicule, although he comes deceptively close.
What ever, I never thought I were able of such an uninterested and lengthy dissertation.
Don’t hesitate to counter, contradict and refute any of my assertions, I will answer each of them without fault.
I used capitalization on a deserved/undeserved basis, not necessarily on a grammatical one.
Don’t I make sense in voting for Mit ?
Cheers to all of you, brothers and sisters.
PS: The deliberately-forgotten candidates debate ? A huge loss for the democrats, republicans, tea-baggers, undecided and other party-less people and so on.
The funniest/sadest tea-bagger comment: “I hate the government, but don’t touch my Medicare”.
PSS: People, wake up, People …
When are we going to know which two candidates will be in the upcoming debate? I voted last night after watching the whole debate.
Jill Stein 2012
Dr. Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson win my vote because of their stand on Education.
It is extremely important to a society that education be free and available to any one.
If not, that society will degenerate and the skills to progress will not be tapped.
Sure, that may be ideal, but there is a very very important question: Can we afford it?
Check out “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America” by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt.
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“This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey for further assistance.”
In one day? Are you kidding me???? I didn’t even get to vote yet.
YAY for Gary Johnson
This last debate on Tues., Oct. 30th should be televised nationally w lots of press releases ahead of time. It should be aired on PBS. The American people have individually and privately financed PBS for decades, more than two generations. PBS should be supporting the people who have supported them, and do the right thing. The right, honorable, and just thing is for PBS to air this historic debate on national television.
I enjoyed the debate, far better then obamney(obama/romney 2012 police state), look forward to watching the next debate and letting folks know about it. Keep up the great work. I voted Gary Johnson in Colorado and held any republicans who supported the corrupt(lying,cheating and stealing)romney accountable with my vote!!!!!!!! sincerely republican delegate
IMHO, the point of a “third party” vote is to relay to the majors and to the nation that we need not live in the machinations of a R-D-R-D-R…cycle. That YOU the individual American citizen are the single most important person in politics today. I am Constitution Party and as such, I support my party’s candidate, Virgil Goode. Having stated that, i want to encourage like minded people to not allow yourselves to be drawn into our own cycle like the dems and repubs have going on now. It should not be about party, but about principle. About people. About liberty. Thank you all for thinking critically about our wonderful republic. Thank you for keeping liberty alive in your hearts and may God bless you and God bless this nation.
Didn’t know about the deadline.
Anderson & Stein!!
I didn’t get to vote but would have voted for Gary Johnson. Also to the organizers, a third party debate was covered by C-Span for the last election that Ron Paul arranged. I don’t know what was so “historic” about this one.
I don’t think that was a debate. It was a press conference at the Press Club.
Don’t worry or be dismayed. There are a lot of us that know history.
Democrats and Republicans are playing games. Wake up! US needs 3rd party.
U.S. needs a 2nd party.
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Missed the debate last evening and certainly don’t want to miss the next one. How can I access last night’s debate and next weeks?
I see voting is over but I don’t see which two will be going to the debate in WashDC. Anyone know?
When will we know the results of this poll?
The below comment I made re Dr. Jill Stein and the Green Party – i.e., re our experience with that Campaign in re the LinkTV/other Media and local California university effort… could be a matter of perspective. Dr. Stein may feel, for personal reasons and lack-of-Roseanne’s-ballot-access reasons…that Roseanne Barr ‘s presence could “water down” the efforts of the Third Party Forum we were to have. She may be delighted that this event was canceled.
However, many were very disappointed, including several of the candidates (especially Rocky Anderson who personally expressed the same in a note to us), the University, LinkTV Media, myself and those involved in the organzing…and all those who already knew about the eventual event! Many felt upset that Jill Stein would not participate “if Roseanne Barr is there.”
Again said: it needs to be known that all candidates, except for Jill Stein, did not at all mind Roseanne Barr participating in this debate/Forum to have been held in California. FreeAndEqual, when approached for Roseanne Barr’s / Peace and Freedom Party’s participation in their Debate, stated in a conversation that “…the candidates will cancel if Roseanne Barr is there.” Was that opinion or fact? Rocky Anderson stated in relation to that comment forwarded to him that it was wrong information and that he would not have canceled… And in conversations, the three other candidates stated that it would not have bothered them generally, though they didn’t cite this particular event, as it wasn’t firmed up quite at that time.
Beyond the Roseanne Barr situation appearing unfair, I believe Socialist parties need to be represented anyway: the Peace and Freedom Party is one of them and Roseanne Barr is their nominee. Another is the SocialistUSA Party whose nominee, Stewart Alexander, made a very good appearance, e.g., with clarity of issues and manner of presentation, on John Stossel’s Show a few weeks ago. Stossel was surprised to learn that Socialism isn’t necessarily a “government owns everything” kind of “ism”. Alexander spoke of what SocialistsUSA value, including of what respected economist, Prof. Richard Wolff, speaks: worker-owned and worker-run cooperatives / businesses which, in examples given by Wolff, have survived the ups and downs of capitalism–including this present recession. Stossel ignorantly said something like, “What?!…you mean the government doesn’t own the business?”
IDEAS and perspectives need to be given accurate and vast voice to the American People. “Isms” aren’t the bottom line, anyway…Ideas-which-work-effectively are – that’s the bottom line, n’est ce pas?!!
Thank you for this debate. Although I do not agree with him entirely on every issue, I am voting for Gary Johnson his year. Not having read all his positions, this debate actually helped me to clarify some areas of agreement and difference I have with Johnson. And, of course, it gets the candidates out there for people who scarcely even know any of them exist. The media blackout of all of them is nearly total.
The poll is closed Well I wanted to rank the candidates: 1) Jill Stein 2) Rocky Anderson 3) Gary Johnson and 4) Virgil Goode
I thought the first debate was just great… I can care less that the debate is not “polished” or very sexy… I’m more interested in information not how the presentation looks and how smooth it is runned.
There is one real firm hard fact. They were all better than obama or Romney, but the best with no compromising excuses, or mishaps, was Virgil Goode. He has the Constitution together with all his decisions. And I’m not saying there won’t be hitches, but if there are, they will be taken care of in the INTERESTS OF EVERY American Citizen. Doing what Government has not done since 1913. No more comprise, get the Job done as good as possible. For the People. God Bless America. Dennis avi
Are you joking?
Voted YES on making the Patriot Act permanent.
Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC
Voted YES on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests
Voted NO on requiring FISA warrants for wiretaps in US
Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant
Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan
Voted YES on retroactive immunity for telecoms’ warrantless surveillance
He cosponsored H.R. 4777 – the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act
Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq.
This guy doesn’t give a damn about the U.S. Constitution.
You seem to be playing a guessing game for rebellion rather than fact. I always use the passed on and voted or discussed facts. Not the obama guessing game, and lies. He does not want to protect YOU, he wants to cash out on Americans money for his sharia muslim transistions after he is out of, or voted out by intelligent American Citizens. Excuse me for hurting your feelings so bad. Deal with facts not emotions sold to you. Or better yet study these politians and help find even a better one with no democrat or republican bums from our past. We do not need them they are a death threat to America. Thanks. D.
Well, dammit, who won? Which two 3P candidates will be in the 10/30 debate??
I want to put a vote in for Gary Johnson for myself and for Virgil Goode for my cousin who was his top pick. He liked the promise to balance budget among other things. The other two sounded like they had plans to spend outlandishly, and didn’t express plans to balance.
The navigation of this web site is confusing and frustrating. The front page says vote now but the link says voting is closed. They announce the second debate but don’t announce who is in it. They say the first debate can be watched online but don’t give links to all the live feeds that carry it. Stop teasing and just come out with it.
We desperately need better education, however the solution is not to provide college tuition for free. K-12 is already free. We need to fire all the horrible teachers and make a high school diploma mean something. Students should not be waiting until high school (or worse, college) to take basic algebra.
Such a refreshing debate with no animal like hatred as the Obama, Romney circus.
Well, I wanted to send Jill to the second debate. I guess it’s closed? At least I voted Green in Arkansas
Why have a vote on this? There are only two candidates on the ballot in enough states to have a mathematical chance at winning: Gary Johnson and Jill Stein.
My vote is for Gary Johnson & Virgil Goode. Of the registered voters in this country, only 36% are Dumocrat or Retardican. That means 64% are independent of some nature – we are the majority in this country and if we could just unite 2 of these independents, WE COULD FIX THIS!
Free and Equal? Hardly…unsubcribed and will not watch second debate.
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Garry Johnson is the best fit. At least he was a governor, and business leader. All the candidates of the third parties are anti-wars, which is the normal trend of good people. Attacking people in sovereign countriesc thousands of miles away is a criminal act that our media made us accept as if it was a good thing!
The environmental issues are basically a waste of time. Our environment condition is not killing or harming any one. Our unemployment, our lack of free health care, our wars and wasted trillions, and young lives are all killing and ensuring more people than pollution or global warming.
Enjoyed the debate. Would like for the candidates to answer the question: “Would they tried to overturn Roe versus Wade and stop the funding for Planned Parenthood? Mitt Romney has said he will stop the funding. Planned Parenthood clinics are closing all over this country as I write this question.
I realize the sad truth is that Obama or Romney will be winning this election but I don’t care. I’m still going to vote my conscience (Gary Johnson) and be able to look myself in the mirror. And hey….there always is this sweet little pay off. When things once again go berserko from the oval office, I can smugly say ” I didn’t vote for him”.
I would like to see Dr. Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson at the last debate
since I believe we would finally have a 180 degree change in USA Policy and
motives. Otherwise, you might as well vote for a DemiRepublicrat and continue on
the same course of a war on freedom (drugs, gender, sexual orientation, etc) and
our wars to take over all the worlds resources.
Who won the vote?
Wish we could get the last debate aired on CNN. We need to let all the voters out there who are not going to vote to protest that they can vote now. I watched a debate between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson on CNN. That is how I found out I had other choices. I refused to watch the other debates.
I vote for Garry Johnson & Virgil Goode
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