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  • http://twitter.com/in2wishin7 Theresa

    WoW this is BIG opportunity to learn shoulder 2 shoulder with neighbors all over the world !

  • Bob Peck

    I’m about to send an announcement to everyone in my address book.

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  • http://www.clevelandnorml.org/ Benjamin Morrison

    Will this be iphone/ipad compatible video? I may be at work then.

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  • Richard

    I wish you had included Stewart Alexander the Socialist Party candidate also. He is a great speaker.

    • Alan

      I agree that it would also be great to hear from Mr. Alexander too. If I recall there was some sort of criteria for inclusion here, like being on enough state ballots to have a statistical chance of winning and perhaps 1% in a credible poll. The Alexander/Mendoza team is included at Project Vote Smart as one of 417 Presidential contenders here: http://votesmart.org/election/2012/P/2012-presidential-election#.UH4tRK6_PKg

      • Jack

        The 417 number is unreliable as it includes candidates that have suspended their campaigns (Michele Bachmann for example). You know that your source also lists Santa Claus as a candidate, right? And we’re supposed to take this website seriously?

        • http://www.facebook.com/veronica.nowakowski.9 Veronica Nowakowski

          That is an actual candidate, a man who changed his name legally

          • Jack

            Still though, it includes people who have suspended their campaigns, along with people who (by the looks of it) never really campaigned in the first place.

          • Brian

            the requirement I think was to be eligible on enough ballots to theoretically get the 270 to win, I think, plus the 1% polling.

          • Jack

            That’s a good point. If you’re using that criteria then Alexander was fairly excluded. It would have been nice to hear from him though…
            I still stand by my claim that the 417 number is unreilable and misleading.

        • Barry

          Claus will never win due to his pro-child labor stance and animal cruelty background

    • http://www.facebook.com/al.suarez.33 Al Suarez

      agreed

    • http://www.facebook.com/darienstarr Michael Omega Welch

      Agreed. Socialist Party USA has some great ideas we need Americans to hear.

      • Jesseeros

        Socialism is fucking stupid. And Jill stine is almost a socialist so you are represented

        • http://www.facebook.com/elFONGOCISSIMO Presqu Ile

          You know what is really fucking stupid? People who have been brainwashed by capitalism their whole life.

          • http://www.facebook.com/wade.crum Wade Crum

            True we have been conditioned most of our lives. We have to tune out the rhetoric and start using our noggins to reverse the conditioning.

        • theHappyTrotskyist

          You are ‘fucking stupid.’ If you don’t believe in humanistic rights to health care and food/water/shelter, then you are a sick person. Check out cpusa.org, they have some great ideas. Don’t be put off by their name, they are probably the most levelheaded people I’ve ever heard. AND Stewart Alexander is one of the best candidates I have seen. Jill Stein isn’t a socialist, she believes in reforming capitalism. That, my friend, isn’t socialism.

          • Guest

            Ladies and gentlemen, this is a taste of what the debate will sound like…just a bunch of ideological arguments.

          • http://twitter.com/webfryes Micah Dameron

            CPUSA.org believes everyone has a right to a job, healthcare, and education.

            THESE ARE NOT RIGHTS. Ready availability to these services can only emerge from a free-market system. Taxing your people to death to provide these so-called “rights” will only destroy your economy. Once everyone is getting paid for the work that others do, no one will have to work anymore, and no one will have any incentive to work, so everyone will starve. Read your history lessons. Communist Russia it’s the same story over, and over, and over again.

            Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are basic rights. Food, employment, and education are not!! The government cannot be your GOD it cannot be your sole provider, no system of government can do this and none ever will.

            Supporters of socialism want the government to be their God. They see the government as the arbitrator of and solution to all problems. But governments cannot fulfill this role, something our founding fathers understood, and something we need to understand again or else we are in BIG TROUBLE.

            Work hard, and in a capitalistic society you will do well. The reason there aren’t jobs available for everyone right now is because our government is employing socialistic keynesian economics that are exacerbating our debt problem and not helping it.

            Elect Gary Johnson this year to help start bringing our government back under the control of the people and the economy back into the hands of the free market so that JOBS can be readily available for everyone.

          • kristin

            I am an american living in England. What people forget is that some people do not, and never will have, the IQ or ability (due to mental or physical illness) to hold a job or function fully in society. I am proud to live in England where people are looked after….some people take advantage, it is human nature, but I do believe it is every humans right to be able to eat, have shelter and an education. England provides these things for its people, what they do after that is there own doing….I have started my own business and been able to pursue my dream as a musician thanks to the help I received from the government here. I no longer need their support…..to keep people in poverty creates criminals…..America needs to stop taxing all its citizens so that it can be a super military power, and invest in its own people…..all the reasons it goes to war are for lining the rich man’s pockets anyway…..

          • http://www.facebook.com/patricia.mcgrath.77 Patricia McGrath

            I agree that we need to stop with the military spending and the bail outs, but explain to me why it is my responsibility to support everyone else. I work hard for my money and those that know me, are aware that I will do everything in my power to help them. Charity and social responsibility should be an individual choice not a government mandate.

          • Belle

            Seriously, use grown up words, please. I will stick to the values set in the Constitution. The organic one that exists off site. The one that protects the individual, where NO ONE sits above you. You want to give out free water…look what they did to the water. They’ve poisoned it to make “us” less intelligent and sick. Look what they’ve done to the air you breathe. They spray toxic chemicals and viruses. When we start living our true United States for America Constitution, we will again be on the road to greatness.

          • AKT118

            Do you know why we pay for food? So we can sit on our computers cursing about politics while someone else puts in the labor to grow and make it. If you would like food to be free, feel free to get a farm.

          • FU

            Everyone has the right to food, water and shelter. That doesn’t me they have the right to make other people provide it to them.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Neil-Johnson/100001505212456 Neil Johnson

            Please explain how the person who you claim has a right to food, water and shelter can obtain those necessities without forcing someone else to provide them – either directly or through the coercive power of the state.
            A right is something two people can enjoy simultaneously. Take a simple example. If you claim a right to own a car then someone else must be forced to give up the product of his labor to provide that car. His right to keep the product of his labor or the fruits of his labor and your right to a car cannot exist simultaneously.
            The only way a government can operate is by a threat of force in the most general sense of the term. You are forced to give up the product of your labor in the form of taxes to provide for the benefit of another person.

          • http://www.facebook.com/debbie.horn.750 Debbie Horn

            Lets see here, god gave us water, food and fresh air to breath. Man makes you pay for it. Really, who is really in charge here?

          • Sam

            Think about this before you start name calling. Health care is a service. Food, water, and shelter are goods or tangibles if you prefer. To say that they are rights means that they are required to be provided and/or paid for by another. How can you say that it is a right i.e. that it is right for one human to demand the provision of a service or good from another human? That does not make sense and it some circles it is known as coercion or enslavement. This is the flaw in thinking that human wants or needs are human rights. Your only right is to have equal access and opportunity to provide health care, food, water, shelter for yourself. That line of thinking doesn’t indicate that I am sick. It indicates that I have common sense. Trade or work for what you want or create it yourself or ask for charity but to demand a system that requires some people to be forced to provide other people with services and goods is not a a sustainable situation.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Kahm/100002461575967 Justin Kahm

          Jill is Keynesian, not socialist.

          • LibertarianSocialist

            Very true. She does however, support alternative organizations of economic structures (co-operatives, for example). This doesn’t make her a ‘socialist’ but she certainly supports anyone who would start a co-operative business.

            As for nationalizing certain industries and putting them into the hands of workers, not sure. I have a feeling she would support it, if it happened. I would support it.

    • Ruthann Amarteifio

      Yes!

    • no

      They requested for 16 candidates to attend. These 4 candidates are the only ones that accepted the invitation.

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  • Jason

    Thankyou for doing this

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  • Jim

    No a single socialist candidate has been invited to the Free and (Almost) Equal debate or that offered by (Almost) Democracy Now. This makes me even more proud to be a socialist. Now my political views are marginalized by BOTH the American neoliberal and progressive political parties.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mimi.soltysik Mimi Soltysik

      This is really unfortunate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1385167605 James Mahoney

    Can’t wait for the debate. Also, while I can understand the complaints about Stewart Alexander not being invited, he doesn’t have the ballot access to potentially win like the four who will be here. I can’t wait.It’ll be a blast!

    • http://www.facebook.com/veronica.nowakowski.9 Veronica Nowakowski

      Write-in votes create the ability to potentially win. However, more importantly, debates are not primarily about winning, but the spreading of ideas. Giving candidates access increases their ability to be on more ballots in future elections.

      • http://emperorbob.com Emperor_Bob

        It can also be a catalyst to get more people involved in equal ballot access and bringing to an end the Republican and Democrat Party control.

      • Arrowface

        Writein votes still need the a8ilty to 8e counted. For the most part they don’t.

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  • John

    Really? The Socialist Party…You do realize we just had four years of socialism?

    • http://www.facebook.com/elijah.yecke Elijah D. Yecke

      Then you do not understand what socialism is if you think we just had it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/veronica.nowakowski.9 Veronica Nowakowski

      The people owned and democratically controlled the means of production? I missed that.

    • Ruthann Amarteifio

      What we’ve had four years of is corrupt capitalism—-

    • BallerDude3

      I think it’s a mistake to consider Obama purely a socialist. Like all presidents for the past 100 years, their policies are, for the most part, a mix of socialism, fascism and corrupt, crony capitalism. I think most presidents do as they’re told. And when you consider that the oligarchs have always favored socialism and war it’s clear to me we currently and for quite some time have had a one-party system. Why would the wealthiest a-holes in the US, UK, Germany and Italy finance the Bolshevics during the second Russian revolution and then transfer technologies all through the cold war? Technologies that included the ability to MIRV their nuclear warheads. A huge technological leap forward. Didn’t they fear a system that would destroy them or at the very least strip them of their wealth? The answer is they didn’t because they controlled it. Same with Mao. They still control it. So to say Obama is a socialist and Romney is a fascist is not totally accurate. Both are both as well as corrupt. I favor a laissez faire system within the US but I favor balanced trade. Why are we shipping our manufacturing base to China and elsewhere? So not only is manufacturing being offshored our 1/2 trillion dollar trade deficit is money going to stimulate other countries’ economies, not our own.

      • bla

        Well said.

    • CaityJ

      You’ve got to be kidding. If Obama’s reign is socialism, you don’t know socialism!

      • bla

        It’s heading that direction. Either way, neither Romney nor Obama understand economics, and neither do socialists, not to mention the Constitution. And we are still talking about the United States, so why would we even want to listen to a socialist candidate when it’s so totally against a Constitutional republic?

        • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

          How is Socialism against a Constitutional Republic?

    • neroden

      No socialist thinks that Obama’s actions have remotely resembled socialism in any way.

      Obama, like Bush, is on the fascist side of things — corporations owning everything.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mimi.soltysik Mimi Soltysik

    Agreed with the sentiment about the lack of a socialist candidate in this debate. There are a lot of people who will not be represented by the voices on this panel.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elijah.yecke Elijah D. Yecke

    Why no Socialist candidate???

    • http://www.facebook.com/mimi.soltysik Mimi Soltysik

      Free and Equal, unless you are socialist.

      • Ruthann Amarteifio

        Sadly——

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-DiIorio/100000702235564 Christopher DiIorio

        Ummm, the Socialist candidates are in the DNC and, since Nixon, the GOP. Just because they don’t admit they’re Socialist doesn’t mean they don’t actively promote, support and defend Socialism.

      • Jadedfate

        Socialism restricts freedom, so yup, you’re right..no freedom if you’re a socialist.

    • extyrequeen

      you have one in barry obama

      • o2267958

        as well as mittens

    • http://www.facebook.com/wodanick Nicholas Adams

      Socialism isn’t a political stance, it’s an economic stance. That’s why you don’t see a “Capitalist party”. Candidates have socialistic, communistic, or capitalistic views on how to lead and manage our economy. It’s not a political platform.

  • http://www.facebook.com/veronica.nowakowski.9 Veronica Nowakowski

    Free and Equal means real choices. If the Republicans could have 10+ candidates, so can third parties that show real difference. Just as the mainstream presidential debates limit choices, this debate is limiting choices and casting a false shadow unless the debate shows true breadth of views. A socialist choice is necessary, and so socialist candidates like Stewart Alexander should be invited right away.

  • Ruthann Amarteifio

    This means a bit of nothing to me if we do not have our candidates here. People are so afraid of the word socialist and communist!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronald-Ramo/665460663 Ronald Ramo

      In how many states are the champions of totalitarian leftism on the ballot?

  • http://emperorbob.com Emperor_Bob

    You should really post the link to where its going to be broadcast live on the front page very prominently. I had to search around and only found it in the comments here. Maybe I missed it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/American3rdP William Johnson

    Why isn’t the third party candidate Merlin Miller included in this debate? Isn’t he running for president?

  • http://www.facebook.com/American3rdP William Johnson

    Jill Stein was just arrested. Will she be in handcuffs?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=841250681 Angi Elston

      She will be live from a prison cell!

  • Gerald Williamson

    When I fill the information out for the RSVP, at the bottom it there is a bullet for a contribution and a bullet for not sure about contributing at this time. Since I already contributed a few weeks ago, it would seem that it’s alright NOT to contribute at this time. I was wrong. As soon as I clicked the bullet for not contributing at this time, it took me to the contribution page and would NOT let me go further unless I pay. Am I able to watch this debate on the 23rd? Do I have to RSVP or may I just show up here and watch what is happening?

    • aaron

      You don’t have to contribute to RSVP for the online stream. When you hit submit it automatically send you too that donation form, but don’t worry you already have been registered to RSVP so just click away. If you would like watch the debate in person go to http://www.freeandequal.org/tickets. If you would like to watch the live stream you can go to http://www.freeandequal.org/live. Thanks

    • http://www.campaignseeds.com/ Anthony Astolfi

      You do NOT have to donate to RSVP or to watch the event… It is 100% free!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/eli.iggy Eli Iggy

    hey if you dont rsvp you can still watch it right?

    • http://www.campaignseeds.com/ Anthony Astolfi

      Of course! If you RSVP Free & Equal will just give you e-mail updates of the latest developments AND remind you on debate night to watch the “historic” event.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eli.iggy Eli Iggy

    how do you watch the debate on the 23rd

  • http://www.facebook.com/eli.iggy Eli Iggy

    do you have to rsvp for the debate?

  • http://www.facebook.com/eli.iggy Eli Iggy

    do you have to rsvp to watch the debate online??????????????????
    and when you rsvp if you dont have money what do you do just cant watch because you cant contribute?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Seuser/1625325352 Steve Seuser

    Will a video of the debate be made available for viewing afterwards?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=629952352 Mr_Androgyny

      Yes, i would like to know this as well!

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  • Zaywex

    They’re all White….

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  • Bennett

    this would be a historic debate if you had included the SPUSA ticket… the only socialist candidates.

  • Bennett

    NATO apologists

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  • gt

    cspan needs to air this as well

    • Naason Nadav

      yeah…i just emailed them and im waiting for a reply.

    • no

      C-SPAN has confirmed, they will be broadcasting this debate, along with Russia Today English, and Al Jazeera English.

      • http://www.facebook.com/vicg12 Victor Gabriel

        it’s not on C-span

      • nicthejew22

        It’s not on C-SPAN. LIARS!

        • Alice Lillie

          It isn’t on C-SPAN and here it is stopping like a recorded video. Is this live?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=646389468 Michal Mudd

          The thread you’re replying to is 14 days old. From what I understand, CSPAN is not covering the 2nd debate, and apparently neither is Al Jazeera, who i watched last time.

    • Bettygetready

      Darn straight. EVERYONE WILL BE HEARD. TWEETS ON FIRE. #GJTA @gjtarmy

    • Bettygetready

      Darn straight. EVERYONE WILL BE HEARD. TWEETS ON FIRE. #GJTA @gjtarmy

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  • Matt W.

    Why are all the socialists crying about Alexander not being included in the debate? They must have thought this was a debate about economics, which is what socialism is: AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM. Still, it should be noted that as a business owner and a firearms enthusiast I can assure you that I will never allow my business to be appropriated by any form of common ownership while lifeblood still courses through my veins and I still have the physical ability to shoot a firearm.

    • Matt W.

      (Unless of course a band of guitar-playing hippies takes over Congress and bans firearms, in which case I might as well convert my automobile to run on granola and surrender my willpower and common sense with the rest of the sheep.)

  • Infinite Spiral

    I could be mistaken, but I see a lot of people decrying the lack of a socialist party candidate. While I can understand that from your point-of-view this makes sense (afterall, if you believe in socialism you don’t see things like me), but the President of the United States takes an oath on day 1 to the Constitution. While they all seem to violate that oath almost immediately upon assuming the office and even the current candidates seem to ignore its contents, anyone espousing a Socialist Platform has already positioned themselves as a liar when the take the oath. There is no support in the U.S. Constitution for socialism. We already have too much.

    • neroden

      “To promote the general welfare”… actually there’s a lot of support for democratic socialism in the US Constitution. Don’t lie about it.

      • http://twitter.com/jonnycinq Jonny Cinq

        Promote, not provide.

        • that guy

          OH SNAP

      • Soda Bob

        It’s GENERAL welfare, not Welfare. Big difference.

        “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.” — Federalist No. 45, James Madison

        The fact is that federal government, under the Constitution, has ABSOLUTELY NO POWERS delegated to it to create welfare/social programs. All such programs at the federal level are, therefore, unconstitutional. Period.

        • http://www.facebook.com/ryan.j.susens Ryan John Susens

          Please stop quoting the Federalist papers while trying to make a point about constitutionality. Quote the Constitution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Neil-Johnson/100001505212456 Neil Johnson

        The phrase you quote is merely a statement of purpose. It is not meant to grant the govenment the power to do anything it pleases. After all the Constitution granted the federal government only a limited set of enumerated powers.
        We see how well that worked. The Congress passes any law they want without regard to the Constitution and the President takes any action he wants without regard to the Constituion.

      • Sam

        To promote is not synonymous with “to provide” or “to dictate” or “to coerce” or anything else a corrupt Congress critter might come up with in order to justify appropriating and redistributing wealth on their whim and our dime.

    • Brian

      as a Constitutionalist I agree that there is no justification in the Constitution for Federal Socialism (though States should be free to experiment with it at a state level if they so wish); however, this does not preclude a socialist from assuming the office of President. If a socialist became president, the proper thing for them to do would be to push for constitutional amendments establishing their socialist programs and until that time they should preserve the constitution.

      the amendment process is part of the constitution. so is the possibility of convening a constitutional convention. so actually in theory you could run for president on the platform that you’d like to abolish the whole constitution and write a new one; but as president you couldn’t do that unless you went through the process to convene a constitutional convention; none of that would be contrary to your oath of office.

      what is contrary to the oath of office is when people in government do things not authorized by the constitution but fragrantly disregard that and do it anyway.

  • BallerDude3

    Why would we want to hear from socialist, communist or fascist candidates? If the idea, (my idea for sure), behind 3rd party candidates is to restore the constitution why would anyone want more of the same in the form of statist candidates? We’re trying to get away from fascist and socialist federal government policies. Socialist, fascist and crony capitalist policies are the problem.

    • bla

      so true, the person who downvoted you doesn’t get it I guess, they can move to France

      • SocialistMe

        Actually, France is going downhill. Their socialist party is the equivalent of the Democratic party here, which, sorry to say, is pretty sucky.

        And, if you look at a TRULY social democratic(soft socialist) country, like Sweden or Denmark, they have much better economies, living standards, and higher gdp. Guess why? Their leftist parties. Denmark’s Socialist Workers’ Party, Sweden’s Social Democratic Party, Norway’s Workers’ Party, they have all been doing well. Look at the capitalistic countries, like the US and Canada. Downhill. Why? Robamney/Harper, and their greedy corporate friends. Canada’s situation with their teachers’ right to protest being taken away, and the US with their…. well, EVERYTHING. Same goes for, say, Britain, being controlled by the Conservative party right now, with Cameron as the Prime Minister. Wood bullets aren’t good for your people’s health, Cameron.

        A TRUE leader would help their people to the fullest extent they could, by keep the environment clean and slow global climate change, universal health care in a single-payer system, having the banks owned by the government to stabilise the economy and prevent inflation(aka eliminating the private element to the federal reserve), legalise marijuana to help end the drug wars, allow gay marriage(having marriage regulations destroys the right to the pursuit of happiness), among many others.

        Stewart Alexander embodies all of these principles I have laid out for you. Please re-evaluate your standpoint on Socialism, because it would ultimately create a better society for our children, ourselves, and the People, who this government was created to serve and protect.

        Stewart Alexander 2012!

        • Richard Shipe

          Capitalism did not destroy anything. Capitalism itself can only become corrupt by government intervention. And government control is what you are advocating. I’m all for getting government out of marriage and drug usage. But I will never give up private property rights. Ever.

    • http://www.facebook.com/andrew.b.oneil Andrew Barry O’Neil

      The purpose of having third or fourth party viewpoints expressed is to hear ideas from across the spectrum and let the voters make an informed decision. I’m a Libertarian but I would like to hear what the Socialist candiate has to bring to the table. I was really impressed with Jill Stein in the last debate…she has good ideas. That’s what this is about…letting the people hear what the candidates (all of the candidates) have to say and let the people decide in what direction they want to go.

  • janemoss

    R Paul is was cheated out of
    the nomination

    1. Elected delegates replaced
    w Romney unelected ppl

    2. Changed rules, 5 state min
    to 8 state so RP would not be nominated

    3. Paul ppl not allowed to
    bring signs Romney ppl were

    4. Boehmer ignored opposition
    vote

    5. New rules allow RNC to
    choose delegates rather than the states

    6. RNC announced Romney
    votes, Paul votes stated as OTHER

    7. google : . Waldo County
    election fraud, RNC Fake delegate lists, RNC teleprompter google : . Waldo County
    election fraud, RNC Fake delegate lists, RNC teleprompter

    Who can stop them ? we see the fraud why is no one in
    jail ..

    • neroden

      Well, there’s nobody with the power to force the RNC to follow its own rules… except the RNC. The RNC is officially a private club. The thing to do is for local Republican committees to disconnect themselves from the RNC, sever ties, hold onto their own property. Are any of them smart enough to do that?

  • http://www.opednews.com/author/author24983.html Scott Baker

    The Green party platform endorses Land Value Taxation, but its candidate, Stein, has been standoffish. Will she be asked about it in this debate? Will it matter?

  • http://www.facebook.com/hron.hartman.1 H Ron Hartman

    IF you agree that the “Big -5 banksters” have become “too big to fail” and control the Federal Reserve System as well as their owning a major portion of it, what steps would you take to take ownership and control and resulting misuse from them, and by doing so, would the general population be better served by a transfer of its ownership over to the Social Security System, so all profits from such banking inure to benefit teh general population of working stiffs and not the elite 0.1% (one-tenth of one percent) in this country? This transition would also put an end to creating money out of thin air as loans anda resulting self-perpetuating inflation but instead require a transition to sound dollars backed 100% by marketable commodities – including precious metals and gems.
    I SEEK TO GAIN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT THE JUSTICE PARTY IN ILLINOIS AS A CANDIDATE IN THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IN 2014, GOD WILLING AND THE CREEK DON’T RISE!
    I AM A RETIRED FEDERAL SAVINGS BANK EXAMINER WHO IS THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED WITH THE DEGRADATION OF THE FINANCIAL COMMUNITY INTO HIGH-PRICED HUCKSTERS PEDDLING DERIVATIVES THAT FEW SHOULD EVER HAVE UNDERTAKEN AND WHICH HAVE EXPOSED US ALL TO GREAT FINANCIAL LOSSES POTENTIALS THAT FAR EXCEED OUR GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT!

  • http://twitter.com/taxfreecig Edward Smokes Cigars

    The socialist Barack Obama was invited! The crime boss Mitt Romdog was also invited! They won’t be showing up because their globalist bosses won’t allow them to + O and R are total cowards.

    • http://twitter.com/BrianPage89 Brian Page

      It’s not just that. They know that if they did attend, more people would watch the debate, and that would bring attention to the third party candidates, which is what they don’t want. They’ve intentionally kept them out of the other major debates to avoid this. They’re afraid because they know that the third party candidates, namely Gary Johnson, could easily pull supporters from both Republican and Democratic sides, and win the election.

    • slysly

      Um, no offense, I am from Russia, and you do not even know the definition of socialism is, so I think you should do your country a favor and read up about history before voting.

      • http://www.facebook.com/saraannortiz Sara Ortiz

        What has been said that makes you think the participants in this forum don’t understand what socialism is? Do you mean that Americans have never lived in a truly socialist country so we don’t know what it’s like? Or do you mean that someone defined socialism wrong?

      • Dee Richards

        Doesn’t surprise me. Too many Americans don’t understand our form of government and have never read the constitution. They will have lost it before they understand what they have lost.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Kahm/100002461575967 Justin Kahm

      Too bad the socialist Stewart Alexander wasn’t invited :(

  • Aridzonan_13

    Well folks, we don’t have to worry about the “Evil of Two Lessers” here. There is still a debate platform for real statesmen. I’ve watched the 3rd party debates for years and I find it amazingly refreshing. Where “Corruption of FedGov.Inc” (note domain suffix) has been the major topic of discussion. Real presidential candidates would enforce existing laws and have the Pin Striped Bandits under serious investigation for Fraud Closure, Naked Shorting, CDO”s and SIV’s , etc.. If votes were actually counted fairly, one of these folks would get elected and we might get real, substantive change.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elFONGOCISSIMO Presqu Ile

    I do see some 3rd party candidates missing from the debate. Where is Roseanne Barr of Peace and Freedom Party? Where is strong write-in candidate Ron Paul? What about Alexander/Mendoza and the Democratic Socialist party? I could go on, but I thought our vision of democracy was a large, round table with no big money ruining the debate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1385167605 James Mahoney

    I have seen so much ignorance about socialism on here. It’s pathetic. Socialism isn’t anti-Constitution, nor is it anti-freedom. Also, anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist doesn’t understand anything about both socialism and Obama. I’d hope that people interested in third parties would actually understand that.

    • Soda Bob

      As I stated in response to someone else’s post above, yes Socialism is unconstitutional at the federal level.

      “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.” — Federalist No. 45, James Madison

      Similarly, in Jefferson’s first Inaugural Address, he stated that one of the essential principles of our government should be “the support of the state governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns” – in other words, the federal gov’t should be concerned with interstate commerce and foreign policy only, and if there are to be social programs, they should be created at the state level, not the federal, as no power to provide social/welfare programs is given at the federal level by the Constitution.

      As Jefferson said in a letter, “On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”

      • Steve

        Great explanation!!! Unfortunately, most people aren’t going to get it, or ‘choose’ not to. You wonder if the reason some people don’t have a problem with socialism, is because deep down they know that the candidate they support, President Obama DOES have a socialist agenda & mindset. So, their only defense is to say ‘what’s wrong with socialism,’ or ‘Obama isn’t a socialist,’ even though deep down, they know he is. The problem with incorporating socialism into a capitalistic economy, is that the United States, under the Constitution was not designed to survive a socialistic regime. Eventually, it will collapse. If something works, don’t try to fix (or ‘change’ it), or it’ll break!

      • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

        Commentaries on the Constitution have no authority. Only the constitution does.

        • http://stellargas.tumblr.com/ Robert Run

          ^^ that is a silly and contemptuous statement about freedom of speech that reveals alot of disrespect for your fellow citizens.

          • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

            No it doesn’t. Which has actual authority, the law or somebody interpreting it? Duh, the law does!

          • http://stellargas.tumblr.com/ Robert Run

            that applies going forward as well. don’t forget that. the “Law”.. you say.

          • Marcia

            how do you know what the law says if you don’t interpret it?

          • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

            So who’s interpretation would you like? The one cited by Madison, or the recent one by the SCOTUS that declared Obamacare legal? The one thing I do know is that Madison, Jefferson, et al are long dead, and couldn’t have possibly foreseen the profound changes brought about by technology and the political movements that have happened since:

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Kahm/100002461575967 Justin Kahm

        The constitution could be amended to support socialism on the federal level though.

        • http://www.facebook.com/mark.kreitler.1 Mark Kreitler

          While true, this would contradict the words in Jefferson’s letter, as well as his quote, “That government is best which governs least.” If we grant government the power to redistribute wealth (or, in this case, transfer ownership of production), it will eventually abuse this power.

          However, there’s nothing in the Constitution to prevent workers from owning the means of production, and indeed, there are many such businesses in the United States.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeromie-Hartsough/1333756713 Jeromie Hartsough

        Maybe I’m missing something, but I fail to see the quote from the Constitution restricting Socialism.

        • Nate

          ignorance at its finest…-sigh- it doesnt have to be specifically prohibited in the constitution for it to be unconstitutional, it simply has to NOT BE INCLUDED IN the constitutional rights of the government for it to be unconstitutional.

          • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

            That’s the stupidest most reductionist method of interpreting a text I’ve seen in awhile. Sounds like idiotic Bible fundamentalism, imho (nothing against the Bible, just fundamentalists.)

            Problem is, you lost the argument when the SCOTUS declared that Obamacare was legal.

          • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

            *lost the argument

      • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.mcglawn Chuck McGlawn

        Hello Soda Bob, Please note that in the Preamble to the Constitution we find the words, “…provide for the common defense, and promote the general welfare… However, in the Constitution you will read the second half of that phrase as, “…provide for the general welfare…”

        With all the vaunted checks and balances that phrase is for all practicle purposes a blank check dor National Governmental powers.

        We cannot count on the Constitution to protect our liberties. We need to go back a little bit and designate the Declaration of Independence as the Mission Statement for our National Government. Then we need to reconsile the Constitution with the limitations posed by the Declaration of Independence. Then our National Government will be charged wit protectin our liberties, and little else.

        • Consti

          It’s the preamble!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.mcglawn Chuck McGlawn

            Consti, You need to reread what I said. There is a difference in the wording between the Peramble and the Constitution.

      • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

        So you scrap the Constitution instead of worshiping this Paper Pope. Madison, Jefferson, et al are long dead, and couldn’t have possibly
        foreseen the profound changes brought about by technology and the
        political movements that have happened since:

    • jdudbs

      Word James. Some people need to step up their level of understanding.

    • Andreas Petofi

      I’m a good ole (Hoosier) Eugene Debs Socialist :)

    • Bill Singleton

      What is a Socialist?

      There are many variations of socialism, but a common denominator amongst socialist thinkers is they play God by believing (or pretending to believe) they have a so-called [legal right] to rule others by infringing up ones [inherent right] to defend life, liberty and property. The socialist wrongly thinks this is for the common good of one and all. They’re tendency is to rule by means of organizing [legal plunder]. Put another way, since law organizes justice, socialist believe THE LAW of the land should be ignored in favor of legalizing socialistic ideals for the good of education, labor, morals, religion, wars, welfare, etc., etc….which is why the Western World is financially bankrupt. There’s no need to argue the point, since no socialistic empire has ever survived throughout history – and America will be no different.

      • Harley BUD

        You are NOT talking about Socialism. You are talking about communism or fascism. Socialism is a communal ownership of everything by everyone. You are afraid of the HUMAN perversions of that form of lifestyle and NOT pure socialism

        • Bill Singleton

          BUD, you are making my point for me. Who is it that gives socialist thinkers, like yourself, a [lawful right] to infringe upon the [inherent rights] of others to protect life, liberty and property? In his Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx laid out a Platform of 10 Planks that describe the principles of communism. Basicaly, it’s a revolutionary [socialist movement] to create a classless, cashless and stateless [social order] that is structured upon common ownership of production, just as you describe You can view the Ten Communist Manifesto Planks at the link below. But note that each of the 10 Planks in the Manifesto involve [organized plunder] in one form or another. This is extreme Socialism under Communist Order.
          http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

          The bottom line is Socialist and Communist thinkers scorn freedom thinkers and play God by attempting to enforce what they believe is their [legal right] but not their [lawful right] to practice [organized plunder] by extending THE LAW beyond its intended purpose. To accomplish this twisted thinking, they put in place and exercise unjust, socialistic laws as a weapon to make it appear that it’s their [legal right] to [organize plunder] through usury interest, taxation, and property seizures. It is for this reason that Americans will live the rest of our lives under one of the following three societies:

          Option One
          We will allow a [few citizens and the government] to use unjust, socialistic laws to steal our [inherent right] to defend life, liberty and
          property.

          Option Two
          Or, we will allow [every citizen and the government] to use unjust, socialistic laws to steal our [inherent right] to defend life, liberty or property.

          Option Three
          Or, we will allow [no citizen and no level of government] to use unjust, socialistic laws to steal our [inherent right] to defend our life, liberty or property.
          The point is this: As long as state citizens keep supporting America’s two Socialist Parties, namely the Democratic and Republican Parties, state citizens will live in a society as described in Option Two above.

      • http://www.facebook.com/wade.crum Wade Crum

        Socialism is leaders believing they know how to live your life better than you do. Therefore we fund the leaders to think for us. The fallacy is that it drives us to do nothing except go backwards. And they want to label it as progressive when it is the exact opposite.

    • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

      Thankfully, the SCOTUS ruled this summer and those who say health care reform is unconstitutional have lost the argument once and for all.

    • http://www.facebook.com/roechsner1 Rocky Oechsner

      There are 4 other party’s that I know of.I saw them debate last week and was very impressed.

    • ixsahal

      um…no…socialism is absolute plague…go ask a Nazi Concentration Camp Survivor or someone from the Soviet Union or China….Why do you think people swim with sharks just to get here from Cuba?

      • elliot

        Socialism does not equal communism. That’s such a ridiculous misconception. Just look north to Canada. It is socialist, and is doing a lot better in most ways than the US.

        • http://www.facebook.com/dbenzine Derek Benzine

          I have friends in Canada, that have had to wait 6 months for a serious surgery. They turn down elderly people if they dont think there “worth” it. I dont trust the government with anything let alone my life… You are dumb or blind or both if your voting for Obama.. Instead of voting for Obama why dont you just move to Canada or Europe so you dont fuck it up for the rest of us.. The exchange rate was about

        • starchild

          Canada is nowhere near as socialist as places like Soviet Russia, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, Nazi Germany, and Maoist China were. If Canada were that socialist, it would be in deep, deep trouble. In fact, according to the right-wing Heritage Institute’s 2012 freedom rankings, Canada has *less* overall government interference in its economy than does the United States! (see http://www.heritage.org/index/ ).

          Looking at the bigger picture, today’s developed country “welfare states” have proven that a relatively free and prosperous society can withstand a certain amount of government-imposed socialism without economically collapsing or ending up with the wholesale destruction of independent culture and people being rounded up and sent to concentration camps or to labor in the fields. But for how long? The logic and incentives of central planning and forced redistribution of resources, coupled with the corrupting influences of power, always point in that direction. A big, powerful, activist government represents a standing threat to freedom, and any society that allows such an institution to control it may be as little as one ambitious and charismatic madman away from a descent into tyranny and hell on earth.

          Of course it should be pointed out that *socialism itself* is not the problem. When it is voluntary, and practiced on a small scale, communal living can be a humane and wonderful approach to living. Many families, for instance, operate more or less according to the socialist credo of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need”. It is only when people attempt to impose socialism coercively via government that it becomes an evil menace to humanity.

      • Harley BUD

        Nazis were NOT socialists. They were fascists. Completely different. The VA is Socialism in action and intent but ONLY covers the military. THAT is what everyone in this country needs for basic healthcare. Socialism is fine if it doesn’t get perverted into another “ism” by evil humans

    • thethinkingone

      It makes no difference, all political systems can either be corrupted and made into dictatorships, or shaped and ran by the people. The system itself merely directs a point of view that is hopefully followed and nothing else. But all words and descriptions are open to interpretation and manipulation to fit the agenda of whoever controls it. the founding fathers of the United States did their best to state “For the people by the people” and write the bill of rights to try and keep the power in the hands of the people as much as humanly possible, but eventually all systems of governance will eventually turn into monarchy if the people look to individual leader instead of all being leaders.

      “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.” – Thomas Jefferson

    • http://stellargas.tumblr.com/ Robert Run

      People who reject socialism are -not- ignorant about it. That’s why the US system is seeing so may people rejecting this centralized economic system and there is a gigantic surge of people preparing to leave the 2-party corporatist/ socialist hegemony.. Socialism is why our country is failing. Why does the left claim to hate privatization, but support the IRS and the Federal Reserve? Those are the two biggest Privatized institutions in the World. For the same reason the Republicans don’t realize that their Party is socialistic. Well.. guess what.. you are getting ready to figure it out.

    • http://www.facebook.com/doug.greer.77 Doug Greer

      Propaganda works, the easiest way to neutralize any idea is to misname it.

    • Richard Shipe

      Dear socialists, without imposing your personal values, what changes would you bring to society for the better?

      Socialism is not taking the shirt off your back to give it to someone less fortunate, that is what a free human being does. Socialism is forcefully, with violence, taking the shirt off someone else’s back andgiving it to someone else.

    • http://www.facebook.com/connor.hawkins.N7 Connor Hawkins

      Ditto, comrade, ditto.

    • http://www.facebook.com/wade.crum Wade Crum

      When you don’t have an argument, you try to play the semantics game. Won’t work here.

    • http://www.facebook.com/airbrushsmith Craig Smith

      One of the constants I’ve seen in all socialist governments throughout history is the infusion of one mans idea of what’s fair, and the extermination of those who disagree. When Cambodia was “liberated” all teachers, scientist, students, engineers, the elderly, sick and disabled, and anyone who was deemed a threat were killed. Only farmers were spared, to help feed their occupying Army. All copper wire was removed for use elsewhere. And the looting hoards took everything of value. Everything becomes property of the state, they get their cut, then dole out what they feel is your “fair share”. You decide nothing. The idealistic socialism you probably envision would include taking the wealth of everyone and split it up and give everyone their fair share, which would come out to almost $50,000 a year. But you forgot the “everyone does his share” part. What if your part was digging ditches, or milking cows? Or simply catching a bullet so the wouldn’t have to feed you. Now for the reality of global socialization, which is what is being purposed now. Remember “Act local, but think globally”. Split up the wealth of the world, and your fair share becomes less than $5000 a year, which is great for the millions in Africa living off the equivalent of $200 a year. How would that work for you?

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  • elson

    BUT WHERE IS ROSEANNE?!?!?

    • James

      first she ran for the green party, didn’t get the nomination, then she ran for the socialist party, didn’t get the nomination, so she formed her own party?! she really has no class.

  • elson

    Will there be anything more to this debate than “Socialism Sucks!” “No, Capitalism Sucks!” over and over again, with everyone agreeing that they hate both the Democrats and Republicans?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=841250681 Angi Elston

    You can’t RSVP without putting in credit card info. BUMMER.

  • JC

    ohh man getting one of these guys in any one of them would be much better than these money hounds just need to show everyone i know its possible i try to get older folk to stop voting same party without doing any real research time :) trying got some signs up on the main road supporting you guys and showing what your working toward

  • JC

    Made them with our children :)

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1067728423 Ty Shlackman

    Nowhere in the US Constitution does it specify what economic system the US must use so to claim that espousing socialism is unconstitutional is absolute bullshit. For your information the US Constitution grants Congress the authority to coin money and regulate its value. It also grants Congress the authority to regulate commerce and to take private property for public purposes as long as just compensation is provided to the owner of the property. What America really has is fascism not socialism.

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  • LRW63

    Not sure how we can even entertain any candidate or political party, or suffer any elected official, whose plan and purpose is anything other than strictly constitutional. This is supposed to be a constitutionally limited republic, not a democracy whereby the majority can “progressively” vote to change the nation into a socialist or communist “utopia”. The Constitution Party and Libertarian Party are the only parties that seem to undetstand this. I couldn’t care less what drivel the other parties are peddling. No American should even seriously entertain them.

  • James

    What are all the live feed links in case this one is busy or for people who don’t RSVP?

    • James

      I’m trying to forward options to people and time is running out to send emails. I wish they would post the info.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=46903413 Myron Mason

    It would be nice if Stewart were represented (maybe he was busy) but at least Jill is the closest leftist in the group. Also, have all of you James Madison supporters forgotten about the spending and taxation clause? “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States…” This gives Congress FULL power to provide spending for projects and programs to benefit the nation as a whole. Alexander Hamilton and Chief Justice Marshall also stated that the U.S. government can spend and tax to create projects and programs to support education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc as long as it was general in nature and did not favor one section or group of the nation.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=46903413 Myron Mason

      Even Benjamin Franklin believed that this clause supports the governments power to do so. The general welfare clause has been proven to support this as when the Confederacy of America drafted their constitution, they did not even include the word welfare in it. Not even the preamble had the word and their constitution was largely a copy of the U.S. Constitution.

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  • Andreas Petofi

    Any presidential candidate on enough state ballots to receive the 270 electoral votes to win, should be included in any presidential debate. I know Rocky Johnson (Justice Party) and Virgil Goode (Constitution Party) didn’t meet this criteria, but were still included in the first debate. OK. So why wasn’t Stewart Alexander, the presidential candidate of the Socialist Party USA included??? The Socialist Party in America has been around since 1901.

    Anyway, I’m glad the presidential candidates of the two largest third parties in America, the Green and Libertarian Parties, will be debating. I’m a former member of the Libertarian Party and I’m presently a member of the Green Party. I’m proud to say that I have already voted for Dr. Jill Stein (Green Party).

  • Obama all the Way !

    just announced democracynow.org will air live 3 party debate on freespeech too Awsome!

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  • James

    the predebate discussion will be live streamed, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004204060216 William Jones

    Waiting for the predebate coverage to load its 8 damns it.

  • James

    no discussion livestream?

  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi

    Censorship Heavy Sunday Monday WTC7 Censored

  • http://www.facebook.com/curben Curben Justic

    Isnt something supposed to be streaming now?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000358292875 D.j. Roach

    She isn’t on Ohio’s ballot

  • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

    The two major candidates amazingly agree on
    the following:

    NDAA

    Patriot Act

    American military presence in the
    Middle East.

    Aggressive American interference in
    foreign affairs.

    Keeping the Fed.

    Maintaining the bloated & wasteful
    military budget.

    Oil drilling on Federal lands.

    (Not) reducing US dependence on oil.

    Keystone XL pipeline.

    No Single Payer universal health
    insurance coverage.

    Drone strikes

    Prosecuting Wall St Bankers (there
    hasn’t been any).

    Corporate personhood

    LE harassment of medical marijuana
    users

    Not raising the minimum wage

    Wiretapping

    Gtmo bay

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  • onlydemi

    Running late I guess?

  • Patty Craven

    Monday November 5 – 5:20 PM California – anyone else here for the debate tonight?

  • darius404

    Why is the video private?

    • Lawrence

      Technical Difficulties?

    • onlydemi

      i think they are still trying to work it out

    • http://stellargas.tumblr.com/ Robert Run

      live feeds are “private” until the feed begins and then it goes back after the feed ends.

  • darius404

    Rt America’s video feed works. Not sure about predebate, though. http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/

  • Lawrence
    • onlydemi

      thanks for the link!

      • Lawrence

        That’s what we’re all here for. Share this link with everyone.
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  • http://www.facebook.com/adam.pohl Adam Pohl

    why is this “private”???

  • Iheasely

    I have this message displayed on the screen “This video is private”. What should I do to un-private it? I got this link from the Free & Equal newsletter.

    • http://stellargas.tumblr.com/ Robert Run

      when the debate starts you’ll see it don’t worry.

    • Lawrence

      http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/ Go here to catch the pre debate talks
      .

  • Tony Stiles

    Hey there. I feel like spreading some liberty. Because liberty is sexy….and so am I.

  • http://www.facebook.com/supernova1996 Garrett Wilson

    I hope Gary Johnson Get’s the five percent he needs tomorrow.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.faas Jordan Faas

    Says “this video is private” any help on how to watch?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/roger.d.huebner Roger D Huebner

    I am disappointed that LINKTV has chosen not to air this program. It did air the first debate and I am thankful for that. It was an accident that I found the broadcast and learned of ‘FreeandEqual.org’ and enjoyed the debate immensely. Everybody had good manners and clearly spoke their positions. Tonight should be even better, thank you.

  • Lawrence

    http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/

    If this video is not working for you, than click on the above link to catch the debate.

  • http://twitter.com/mslynmc Lyn McKinney

    “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security.” From the Constitution, which means If something is wrong with our Government, those who have the ability to take action, have the responsibility to take action. Gary Johnson 2012…TAKE ACTION!!!!

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  • Toto

    I respectfully suggest that we stop using the words “socialism,” “communism,” and “progressivism,” and use instead the word “collectivism.” This will reduce the argument to its root divergence. Which do we support, individual freedom or tyranny by the group? And let us not forget that there are both right wing collectivists as well as left wing ones. By their records in office, both the mainstream candidates are collectivists. Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are by-in-large not collectivists, while Stein is definitely a collectivist. This is the crux of the matter at hand in this debate.

    • MIsterearle

      That’s just silly. Government by it’s very nature is collective. To define that collectivity as inevitably “tyrannical” is to take an untenable position with regard to the entire enterprise. A government that supports individual freedom in all matters (since you do not seem to make any distinction between matters political, economic, social, and so on) does so as the will of the collectivity.

  • Tony Stiles

    I really hope Mitt Romney and Barack Obama show up and get arrested for coming near the property like 3rd party candidates do at the Commission debates.

    • http://stellargas.tumblr.com/ Robert Run

      yeah!! what he said!

    • http://hubze.com/ David Foster

      That would be great!

    • http://twitter.com/hobiefreak Dena

      The video would go viral…. But then again, they would not be marginalized or arrested by these great people that truly believe in democracy

  • darius404

    IT WORKS!

    • http://hubze.com/ David Foster

      Yes took us awhile but we got it!

  • Tony Stiles

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    • http://hubze.com/ David Foster

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    • http://www.facebook.com/philliprdean Phillip Dean

      Don’t forget to mention that they’re SMART as well, which makes them TWICE as sexy! Those Faux News women can’t compete.

      • Tony Stiles

        Indeed. My first thought wasn’t “I bet they have great brains.” HOWEVER, they mosdef do!

      • http://www.facebook.com/debbie.horn.750 Debbie Horn

        Gosh imagine that!

  • lizzel

    >2014 election

  • http://www.facebook.com/hippo.planet Daniel Normand

    will thier be a place where i can watch the replay

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    as long as you are here please sign this petition about a gross hate group on Facebook: http://www.change.org/petitions/facebook-close-down-wolf-butchering-cooking-and-recipes-a-site-that-promotes-racism utm_campaign=action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

  • lizzel

    im shivering in my boots! What an opportunity to behold!

  • Mitsuho
  • lizzel

    I have been for Johnson for a long while now, but every time I hear Jill Stein Speak I think that my alliance may realign.

    • Furious George

      Have you heard Rocky Anderson?

    • George Carlin

      How can you be a Johnson fan and then switch to Stein? She is big government to the max.

      • darius404

        That’s because “Jason” here is serially taking every side possible. Just look at him reply to himself. I’m fairly certain he’s a bot.

  • Katie Daniels

    why isnt this airing on the tv channels that said they’d be playing it?

  • BK EkoHero

    I can’t get the debate :-( .

  • Rob

    to many people trying to watch this the site has crashed I think

  • http://www.facebook.com/BeverlyAbbasGirlhello23 Beverly Abbasgirl

    why isn’t it playing for me??

  • jeff4justice

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  • pj

    im having trouble watching, servers jammed perhaps?

  • http://www.facebook.com/ScottCrothers Scott Crothers

    These folks needed to be part of the mass media “bipartisan” Debates. Silencing the opposition, those Debates have done a disservice to American democracy.

  • http://twitter.com/LilyJAnderson Lily Anderson

    I would vote for either Jill or Gary, but the House of Representatives is controlled by the Republicans, and the Senate by the Democrats.

    In a tie, the Republicans would pick the president, and the Vice President would be picked by the Democrats.

    I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, but he lost, and he did not fight aggressively as he should have.

    Because of these sad facts, I will be casting MY vote for Mitt Romney. Pres Obama has to go. He Failed. He raised the National debt by more than $6 Trillion dollars.

    Begrudgingly, I say, Mitt Romney 2012 !

  • http://www.facebook.com/BeverlyAbbasGirlhello23 Beverly Abbasgirl

    ah Ha!! working now!!

  • jeff4justice

    6 Easy Steps To End The 2-Party System
    http://youtu.be/AS8cdu9ge0w

    Top 3 Dumb Excuses To Not Vote 3rd Party
    http://youtu.be/lKxrNPmMkkk

  • lizzel

    lol @ gary straight up laughing

  • carliewolf

    I thought the debate was to start at 9PM EST. it’s not coming in. Does anyone know why?

  • pj

    Got it. Fuck yeah!!!

  • james

    7 rebuttals… she best be joking

  • http://www.facebook.com/rachels.song Eugenius Yu

    HEY! Wait a minute…where is Vermin Supreme in this thaaaang? So much for a fair debate.

  • Eugene Stover

    If you want more people to watch fix the damn broadcast.

    • http://hubze.com/ David Foster

      The broadcast is fine. Please refresh your browser if you have an issue.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brook.perkins.3 Brook Perkins

    I wish Ron Paul was debating Jill Stein. Gary Johnson doesn’t seem to understand why or how his policies will work. Even though I agree with Gary Johnson, Jill is winning this debate so far because she is far more articulate.

  • lizzel

    I think Johnson is winning right now, agreed?

  • http://www.facebook.com/ava.philippus Ava Philippus

    It’s interesting that people voted for polar opposites; these two now sound pretty much like Obama and Romney.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rachels.song Eugenius Yu

    Ministry of Truth? Did I just get censored? Vermin Supreme 2012

  • Rand the Man

    Gary Rocks!

  • Rand the Man

    Jill Stein, you just don’t have it!

  • MissMeow

    Is Gary drunk?

    • http://www.facebook.com/anjelica.martinez Anjelica Luten

      lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/rachels.song Eugenius Yu

    What about women? Where’s my binder?

  • lizzel

    Perhaps the teleprompter is jumping around a lot, or the woman’s voice is just cutting in and out like a bad connection

  • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

    Gary Johnson should do a search for the Center For Tax Justice. Several Fortune 500 companies didn’t pay any taxes at all in the last 5 years.

    • http://twitter.com/LunchboxJoe Joe Szatkowski™

      goooood…..several. what about the other 400+?

      • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

        Huh?

    • http://www.facebook.com/mandy.mcewenmatti Mandy Mcewen-Matti

      And I bet they are companies that employ a majority of US workers ;)

      • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

        Not likely.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronald-Ramo/665460663 Ronald Ramo

      All the more reason to stop taxing income for all corporations. Why does non-Fortune 500 companies pay for the welfare queen corporations?

      • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

        No, it’s the reason why getting rid of corporate taxes won’t do anything.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronald-Ramo/665460663 Ronald Ramo

          I fail to see how the fact several multi-national corporations are able to manipulate the current tax code leads to the conclusion that eliminating the corporate income tax “won’t do anything”. It’s like saying that in a the guy who wins a fight with the help of the ‘third man in’, would still win a one on one fight.

          • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

            Because the end result it the same. Those companies could easily turn around and invest what they are saving into creating job here domestically. Nothing is stopping them. So if you eliminate the Corporate tax altogether, there’s no motivation for change of behaviour.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rachels.song Eugenius Yu

    I’m getting a capital idea – Jill Stein bobbleheads. I’ll be rich!

  • http://www.facebook.com/FacebokIsEviL Journ Away

    How can i watch this on my IPhone?

  • barv

    I leaning more toward Johnson in this debate.

  • Eugene Stover

    It really sucks that I need to sit at my PC to watch this. Why is it not permitted to be displayed on a mobile device, or at least on an Apple TV or Smart TV.

  • GJ Supporter?

    I really liked GJ from all his reddit posts and his points on his Wiki page, but right now he seems spastic and easily angered. Is he just having a bad day or is his as unstable as he’s coming off as?

    • MissMeow

      He’s acting like he’s drunk. He wasn’t like this in the first debate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ava.philippus Ava Philippus

    They both sound much more thoughtful on foreign policy than either Obama or Romney.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mandy.mcewenmatti Mandy Mcewen-Matti

    Sorry Jill – The NEw Deal didn’t get us out of the depression – WWII did.

    • http://twitter.com/Cyberlucy Catharine D

      Actually, the recovery started before WWII, but I agree that the new deal had nothing to do with it.

  • abklothing.com

    not much of a debate if they both agree …really need to get democrats and republicans on this would be awesome to see the “ummmm” face on obama romney camp

  • http://www.facebook.com/FacebokIsEviL Journ Away

    Wow, nothing but Trolls & Technical Difficulties.. :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/mandy.mcewenmatti Mandy Mcewen-Matti

    I think GJ is running on little to no sleep.

  • ali

    will it be possible to watch it later? it’s not working for me now

    • onlydemi

      yes

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronald-Ramo/665460663 Ronald Ramo

    this debate feed effin blows! On a positive notice I suppose over 200K are now watching and that pleases me to no end.

  • http://john-shuey.blogspot.com/ John Shuey

    Jill keeps complaining about Obama, but most of her program consists of doubling down on his bad bets.

  • Jason

    Dr. Stein, since you are on climate change, what are your feelings about HARRP?

  • http://www.facebook.com/doug.mael Douglas Mael

    Although I still feel that either of these candidates would be preferable to Barack Obama or Mitt Romney, Jill Stein demonstrates with every answer she gives how completely naive (or clueless) she is regarding both Economics and Foreign Policy!

    Gary Johnson has waht it takes, and he has the right platform, to be President of the USA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronald-Ramo/665460663 Ronald Ramo

    >China
    >leader in clean renewable enrgy
    >leader in coal usage
    Me thinks, Jill be ignoring something.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mandy.mcewenmatti Mandy Mcewen-Matti

    Iran now pretty much OWNS Iraq – oops

  • Daddio18

    It’s not that I don’t get where Johnson is coming from, It’s just that his answers are too extreme and not reasoned out very well. Just cut slash abandon. Jill Stein’s positions seem much more thought out and reasonable. More realistic solutions for todays world. Especially concerning foreign policy.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronald-Ramo/665460663 Ronald Ramo

      This is the red zone friend and desperate measures are necessary. Stein wants to grow the debt. Johnson wants to reduce the debt through attrition and decentralization.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mandy.mcewenmatti Mandy Mcewen-Matti

      That’s because – ironically – the answer to the majority of our problems isn’t rocket science. It’s very simple. It’s not about what our government NEEDS TO DO – It’s about what they need to STOP DOING. In the words of Nancy Reagan JUST SAY NO! A very effective president isn’t one that get’s things done – it’s one that KEEPS more B.S. off the books, stop making policies and let things balance themselves out. It’s like being sick and continuing to pump yourself full of medicine after medicine and only making yourself worse from all the drugs and medication!

    • Richard Shipe

      You can’t provide all the reasoning you want in a short time window. He’s arguing free market principles. Message me on Google+ if you want the basics of such an economic environment.

    • George Carlin

      Except her position on nuclear power. Completely ignorant and blinded by ideology on that subject.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-Schwartz/1294588831 Alex Schwartz

    Jill Stein does make a point about nuclear weapons but I don’t see nuclear power leaving the US anytime soon or any other nation that may use it.

  • Kate

    I’m glad Johnson recovered….I really enjoyed his passion in the first debate but felt he was getting a little too Romney with his laughing and outbursts at the beginning of this debate.

  • Richard Shipe

    Environmentalists need to realize the destruction to the environment the EPA has caused. Government can’t get rid of pollution in the way it cannot outlaw heart disease.

  • BP

    my connection sucks

  • http://www.facebook.com/airbrushsmith Craig Smith

    Climate change is man made. Turn off HAARP. It heats the ionosphere which can definitely manipulate the weather.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mandy.mcewenmatti Mandy Mcewen-Matti

    When I grow up I want to run a gasoline truck business!

  • http://www.facebook.com/MentalWarp Mark Vance

    “Climate change is man made” ~Gary Johnson
    I face palmed pretty hard..sorry

  • bob

    This is a GREAT debate! it’s a real difference of ideolgies here, not like that circlejerk of obaromeney

  • stacey

    I think there is a problem with the connection. It is very distorted.

    • onlydemi

      not at all

  • http://supercarrot.com/ supercarrot

    getting rid of farm subsidies will be the best solution to climate change. meat prices will then reflect it’s true price, and people will then reduce their meat consumption, and that will then reduce the carbon emissions like crazy. http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.HTM
    http://science.time.com/2011/07/26/how-meat-and-dairy-are-hiking-your-carbon-footprint/

    • http://www.facebook.com/mandy.mcewenmatti Mandy Mcewen-Matti

      Oh yes I agree – when people are starving it’s much better for the environment.

      • http://supercarrot.com/ supercarrot

        (i’m assuming that’s sarcasm?) vegetable farmers aren’t currently receiving very much in subsidies, so plant-based foods won’t rise in prices. the people will have more of their tax dollars to then spend on which ever foods they would like to spend it on. (instead of being forced to support the meat farmers.)

      • Richard Shipe

        People would not starve. Subsidies are set out to keep farmers from producing food.

    • Richard Shipe

      Doing away with subsidies for cheap corn would increase the cost of corn syrup. Our health would benefit as well.

      • http://supercarrot.com/ supercarrot

        and the medicare for all idea would then be even less expensive for the taxpayers.

        • joe marchione

          What?

          • http://supercarrot.com/ supercarrot

            because people will be healthier. (google “lifestyle diseases”)

  • Rizzo.Jizzo

    Jill Stein: “Oh government…SAVE ME! MORE GOVERNMENT! MORE GOVERNMENT!” What a bunch of crock.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mandy.mcewenmatti Mandy Mcewen-Matti

      Amen.

    • http://www.facebook.com/philliprdean Phillip Dean

      I can’t believe I thought she won the first debate… I’d consider myself to be Libertarian, it’s just that it seemed like she killed it. This time, she just sounds like she wants Green Communism of sorts…

  • http://www.facebook.com/mandy.mcewenmatti Mandy Mcewen-Matti

    GET HER GARY!!!

  • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

    “You see Government as the solution” – clearly a dodge based on ideology, not dealing with each issue on it’s merits.

  • sbj

    Net Neutrality? Ya just lost me!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/justin.sharkey.79 Justin Sharkey

    Jill, Government control isn’t democracy.

  • http://twitter.com/jmdenn the GREATER Platform

    Governor, if you are so opposed to crony capitalism why will you not stop taking money from corporations you would regulate? Dr. Stein, and that includes nonprofits.

  • chinsmcgee

    jill stein draws on too much

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

      yes

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

      yes, zzzzzz

  • CINDY STEWART

    I CAN’T STAND LISTENING TO HER SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST TLK ANYMORE!!! AAAGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!! PLEASSE VOTE FOR ROMNEY TOMORROW

    • http://twitter.com/Cyberlucy Catharine D

      How is what she is saying socialist or communist? Please explain.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

      I’m voting for Gary Johnson.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mandy.mcewenmatti Mandy Mcewen-Matti

    As long as your intelligence agencies/agents are proeprly safegaurding their intel/info Wiki-leaks wouldn’t be a national security issue.

  • http://www.facebook.com/doug.mael Douglas Mael

    OK, I take back my earlier comment …. Jill Stein would make a HORRIBLE POTUS!

  • http://twitter.com/jmdenn the GREATER Platform

    Both of these candidates are for repealing NDAA 1031 and 1032, indefinite detention of US citizens without trial. Obama and Romney are not. If we BANNED SINGLE MARK BALLOTS we could vote for both these fine people. http://www.agreater.us/billpage.php?id=400

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider
  • BradL

    how about equal time??? This is ridiculous.

    • Furious George

      He is getting adequate time right now

      • BradL

        Don’t think so…still at least 3.5:2

    • http://www.facebook.com/ian.pasterkiewicz Ian Pasterkiewicz

      They both have been taking as much time as they want, Johnson stoped talking when he wanted, and Stein is more wordy there for she takes longer.

  • Susan

    Johnson’s disdainful looks are juvenile, as is his tone when he rebuts. Interrupting and inserting his supposed “gotcha question’ of Dr. Stein? Not presidential or civil. Stein is real and seems to have a well crafted, well researched plan.

    • BradL

      nor did she answer it, typical politician, no transparency.

  • http://twitter.com/hobiefreak Dena

    WTG Gary! 21 Liberty Torches! :)

  • http://twitter.com/jmdenn the GREATER Platform

    Austerity. ABSOLUTELY NOT! Read Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). We will never default on our debt. We never have to sell bonds. If there is no inflation the debt is almost irrelevant. The USA is not a household, business, or a State. We have a fiat currency. Wake up, Governor. Austerity is how rich people stay rich, and poor people get poorer. Which side are you on???

  • jlowell

    The
    point of elections isn’t to change policies; it’s to confirm that
    things will remain the same. Hegemony is the real issue. What ‘the
    people’ vote for is irrelevant. The fact that they still believe in the
    prevailing order is what’s important. Policy is not influenced by
    voting. Policy determined by the needs of the ruling elite. Not only are
    the political parties owned by the ruling elite, so is the media that
    determines what the electorate thinks. Moreover, the myth systems
    (religion, education, etc.) are also controlled by the ruling elite.

  • Rizzo.Jizzo

    Wait…I thought the Great Depression was a result of those nasty big banks…now it’s because of austerity measure?

    • BradL

      She was lauding the New Deal as what emerged the country out of depression…Last I checked, FDR was in office from 1933-1945…too funny.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ian.pasterkiewicz Ian Pasterkiewicz

    People in the comments are acting like Jill is like “oh why don’t we put in government for everything? You can save everyone’s lives with government!!!”… listen to what she’s saying, she was LESS government than what we have now and what she want to keep or add she want to make efficient!!! Both of these candidates have very well thought out plans for the type of country they want to forge.

  • http://twitter.com/jmdenn the GREATER Platform

    Clinton’s surplus was actually the beginning of that recession. If the government is in surplus then the private sector is in deficit. The only reason for that is to curb inflation. Greece, Italy and Spain can’t print money, and look at their economies.

  • Richard Shipe

    Jill Stein is wrong. Europe has not cut spending AT ALL. Many instances of the New Deal only prolonged the Great Depression. The AAA killed cattle and burned crops. Minimum wage displaced people into unemployment. Price controls destroyed incentives to produce. Government does nothing in improving the economy.

    • Rizzo.Jizzo

      Well said Richard. That’s exactly right. And don’t forget the factor of the Federal Reserve’s influence, which was very recently introduced at that time.

    • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

      Excuse me? My friend lives in Holland and their congress passed cutback measures.

      • Richard Shipe

        I’m not sure what you’re disputing if you are doing so. If what you say is true, then good for Holland! I hope their government is functioning with efficiency and a smaller scope of responsibilities.

        • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

          Just the statement: “Europe has not cut spending AT ALL.”

      • Richard Shipe

        Cutting back on government spending only works when people are allowed to embark on private enterprise without overbearing restrictions. Keep that in mind.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

    how does Jill get like 60 minutes per answer?

  • Seal

    I agree Bob but Gary is off tonight too

  • Adam Jon Monroe

    The Green Party platform contains land value taxation, the basis of libertarianism. The physiocrats coined the phrase “laissez faire” to describe an economy based on the single tax on land.

  • (L)

    I think one thing we can all agree on yet will likely never happen (at least in my lifetime) is that we need to completely overhaul our voting system.

  • http://twitter.com/hobiefreak Dena

    Gary has a point – nothing is free – someone pays for it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

    “nothing is free” – tell it like it is, Gary

  • arse

    I can’t stand Jill Stein, she almost wants to set up a dictatorship with all these programs that will force people to do things. Johnson is hard to listen to also. I’m still going to vote for him though, he’s still better than everyone else, in ideals at least.

  • Kate

    Come on, Johnson, stop being a jerk. You impressed me so much in the first debate….Now you’re reminding me too much of Romney. I’m watching these third party debates because I wasn’t impressed with the Romney/Obama debates. :(

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

      He’s not being a jerk. He’s like that in all his interviews… just passionate about the subject.

  • Rizzo.Jizzo

    LOL! Spoons! That’s SO TRUE! Lovin’ it! Call her out Gary! YEAH!

  • Giovanni

    I’ve been wondering if Johnson has had too many drinks before sitting down…

    • Calulo

      I know right. I don’t like him like that I love hearing him rant about socialism :P

  • Susan

    talk about modeling the behavior of bullying, Mr. Johnson!

  • AwakenedtoLibertarianism

    Gary Johnson needs to take a deep breath and act a little more calm and collected. The passion is good, but you have to channel it well. Still has my vote by far, but I was hoping for a better performance by GJ

  • Steve

    Spoon jobs!! yes….$30,000 = $100,000 is unsustainable….wow…so, any ideas?

  • BradL

    Moderators needed to be far more assertive…Was as bad as the first top 2 debate which I only read about.

  • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne
  • (L)

    s far as i’m concerned “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…and healthcare…” isn’t how it goes…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

      agreed

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

    People worried about Gary getting excited… well, if you only got to speak for :30 seconds out of every 30 minutes, you would want to make it count, right? On top of that, he actually sees the absurdity of the whole thing, and is willing to speak out about it. Jill just cares about pushing her agenda.

  • Steve

    Good ideas…lower overhead, single payer…yes…ah, any idea how you might get someone to vote for it? American people clamoring…hmmm…maybe not clamoring…don’t forget the 53%

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Luke-Skyrunner/100003462046049 Luke Skyrunner

    She doesn’t understand that the great depression resulted as a result of government intervention and was extended because of government inaction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ava.philippus Ava Philippus

    Wow, they actually brought up GMOs!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lee-O-Welter/764662654 Lee O. Welter

    Was “The New Deal” the real deal? Read John T. Flynn’s book, THE ROOSEVELT MYTH for a dose of political reality.

  • http://twitter.com/hobiefreak Dena

    We need to have a safety net in pace for those people that can’t provide for themselves (due to health, injury or unemployment- but we can’t enable perpetual sloth for the able-bodied and able-minded. That is unsustainable.

  • BradL

    shocking, she actually didn’t go over her time to respond.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

    How can Jill – the Green Party candidate – say “genetically engineered” and “safe” in the same sentence?

  • Steve

    Moratorium on food…ah…well, it will take a long time for you to understand what is going on…oh…gluten..give him some gluten so he can’t function…

  • Jay

    Jill shut up. It’s been tested and tested, it’s never had adverse affects, not once. Please just shut up right now.
    I challenge anyone to actually read some information on it and debate it. – but yes of course it should be labelled, it’d be retarded as hell if it wasn’t.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ava.philippus Ava Philippus

    Lovely, straight answers. Is anyone else out there?

  • (L)

    hey all you gary Johnson fans out there…

    http://libertystudents.blogspot.com/

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

    Someone quick! Make a meme showing Jill Stein wrestling a tornado.

  • http://twitter.com/JayIsForGeoff Geoff

    Jill Stein needs to try to be more concise. I agree with what she is saying but she doesn’t know when to stop talking. It makes Johnson seem more articulate and although I like how much sense he makes behind each argument he makes, I simply agree less with Johnson than with Stein. Green Party has my vote this election.

  • http://twitter.com/Cyberlucy Catharine D

    I can’t blame Johnson for having a meltdown. This whole election season has been a joke.

  • Steve

    Breaking point…tipping point…tackle climate change…jumpstart…end unemployment….health….wow!! win win win…ah, did you say how you were going to do this? oh….yes, elect you and wait for whatever party you are from to gain control of congress.

  • Calulo

    I didn’t sign the social contract the opt out option

  • Justin D.

    Jill Stein is the Obama of the 3rd party platform.

    • Richard Shipe

      I do not support Jill, but she is no Obama. At all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harvey-Vickery/100001028250773 Harvey Vickery

    Gary Johnson has been campaigning and speaking around the Nation 24/7 and we need to thank him and Judge Jim Gray for that….Jill handles herself well and has some attributes and would like to see her somewhere in the Gary Johnson administration….thanks to Gary Johnson and Judge Jim Gray for carrying on the Ron Paul freedom movement…

  • http://twitter.com/jmdenn the GREATER Platform

    Great(er) job to you, both! Thank you for your tireless efforts. Congratulations to FreeAndEqual.org for organizing these debates. Shame on the mass media for violating their public trust for not covering disparate views. The plutocracy has never been larger. If you have great(er) ideas for the USA please post them on aGREATER.US.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205221761 Eric Bogenschneider

    Gary Johnson 2012.

  • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

    Jill Stein is 100% correct. Medicare for all will actually save us money. Do a search for Physicians for a National Health Care Program.

    • BradL

      how would you propose it is paid for? what about physicians and staff?

      • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

        pnhp.org – It’s all there. Basically you are eliminating fraud, bureaucracy and cost overheads.

        • BradL

          So you are advocating elimination of insurance companies, and that we all pay similar to current “premiums” but get the care we need? As long as the doctors et. al don’t get too greedy on the flip side. I could agree with that stance. How would you eliminate insurance companies???

          • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne

            The Canadian system is using it right now, it’s called “Single Payer.”

            Right now taxpayers are subsidizing 60% of our health care system. The
            costs come from fraudulent billing, cost overheads and bureaucracy. By
            switching over to the Single Payer system, you eliminate much of this.
            No private insurance, no profit motives gained from over-billing. No
            need to hire a billing department. which also factors into medical
            costs. Read more about it here: http://www.pnhp.org/resources/60-percent-of-health-spending-is-already-publicly-financed-enough-to-cover-everyone

      • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne
    • (L)

      Where, exactly, would the money for this “medicare” you speak of come from?

  • http://twitter.com/Notsogoddess Christiana

    Jill is so full of herself. I’M THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT… I’M THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Merli.Harper Merli Harper

    The fact that even with the alternative dimensions given by these two, it is still a sliver of the alternative social and political opinions that are suppressed and ignored in the face of the lack of an equal-time rule by the FCC

  • Jon

    No talk of gun control? Now that would have been a fun topic.

  • http://www.myspace.com/kevinwaynesongs Kevin Wayne
  • Ohio Voter

    Where did the Libertarians find this loony as their standbearer?

  • http://twitter.com/JayIsForGeoff Geoff

    Jason is the Jill Stein of this discussion board. I think it’s great that you’re so interested in this debate but seriously you seem to have A LOT to say.

  • sbj

    Breathe of fresh air in this polluted political climate!

  • Seal

    LOL! “Good Job Gary as always”

  • Rand the Man

    Well played! Well done!

  • Donna

    SOOOO happy I got a chance to see this. Thank you so much, Free and Equal!

  • jill

    do we get to to Instant Runoff Voting on this debate also?

  • http://www.groovypost.com/ Brian Burgess

    Best Debates ever!

  • (L)

    Honestly, I think the free and equal movement is a great idea. The thing that will keep us down is the poor leadership within the movement. We need leaders who at least look like they know what they are doing.

  • http://twitter.com/hobiefreak Dena

    Ballot Access laws are draconian in some states :( . All states need to have reasonable ballot access laws that are uniform.

  • http://twitter.com/hobiefreak Dena

    love the intro to that show!

  • Seal

    Do Jill or Gary know anything about HAARP technology when they speak about climate or are they just asleep like 90% of the other sheeple?

  • Quinterius

    It is really strange that Russian TV has to broadcast a U.S. presidential debate.

    • http://twitter.com/hobiefreak Dena

      It reall
      y makes it obvious that the USA MSM is NOT working!

      • Seal

        Oh its working all right, just as designed; scripted, controlled, manipulated and bias as hell!

  • http://www.facebook.com/alex.nevarez.54 Alex Nevarez

    I’m still writing in Dr. Ron Paul come tomorrow. Don’t agree with Gary’s Fair Tax proposal.

  • http://twitter.com/hobiefreak Dena

    Thanks Christina for another GREAT debate!

  • http://www.facebook.com/bhotz Brandon Hotz

    This doesn’t happen in baseball town, St Louis.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dr8kangas Paul Kangas

    Can super storms like Sandy be prevented next year?

  • http://www.facebook.com/dr8kangas Paul Kangas

    Germany is leading by building millions of solar powered homes, creating JOBS & $ billions & using solar to shut down nukes.

  • Richard Shipe

    People need to realize those debates involve zero smart phones and note cards. HOW DARE JOHNSON AND STEIN NOT HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORIES. They will make a mistake every once in a while and be dumbfounded on a few issues. This is why you check track records, history, economic theory and application, etc. The debates alone aren’t supposed to sway smart people. Smart people keep the debates in mind but take a little time to do research.

    We’re not the Demo-Republicans, damnitt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/justin.hemp1 Justin Hemp

    I think the moderator girl was cute.. I want a date.

  • jeff4justice

    WARNING 3RD PARTY SUPPORTERS IN AZ:

    NO on 121 – It Reduces Voter Choice! A Visual Explanation http://youtu.be/9Lk5gdEmEnA

  • Hank

    My Vote is for the 3rd Party, Enough with the “Worse of Two Evils”!

  • Bob

    Gary…yes, completely trashing the personal income and 35% corporate tax AND above all else, the so called “federal reserve bank”, is absolutely mandatory if this nation is to survive at all—-but that alone will not make jobs come “flocking back here”…why? It is because of CHEAP LABOR—-people in China and Mexico don’t mind living in abject squalor and filth. Well, we Western hemisphere Americans very much do mind and the quality of our work kicks the asses of theirs—-and we believe that the sweat off our brows entitles us to at least a thin sliver of the American dream. But the sociopaths on Wallow Street who RUN THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT ABSOLUTELY, believe that the ENTIRE American Dream is exclusively theirs and theirs alone and the rest of us have to settle for a bad acid trip….as long as greedy sociopaths are the only people left in America who are in a position to create jobs worthy of the name, then the situation can never get anything but worse. Too many sociopaths in this country and they are all in the wrong places. They need to be eliminated.

  • aRdoR

    Does anyone have a link that does not cut out Jill statements at around the 25 min mark?

  • William Zaffer

    I think Johnson is wrong to just have no taxes for corporations since they will still take jobs overseas to make more money with using cheap slave labor. We should tax them higher for taking jobs away and give tax breaks if they come back to USA? We have to all pay a little more in taxes and cut some entitlements to pay off our debt so we have leverage with other countries versus borrowing. As I heard a Navy captain who spoke at Arizona State Sustainability Program, that we all better learn to become green since with nine billion people we are looking at some blow backs not seen before and wars we are not prepared for over resources. I think we need diplomats to have a background in sustainability so we can spread this green movement we so desperately need to change with our culture and religious institutions. Are we up to the task? I doubt, not in this sick political climate we have today.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=545423018 項麗玲

      I think if it’s made overseas (and can readily be produced in the US given investment in the proper facilities/training), it should be considered imported, and taxed at a higher rate (as you said). Doesn’t matter if it’s an American corporation; if most of their jobs are going to non-Americans, why should they have such easy access to the US market, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joshua.totten.16 Joshua Totten

    is this censored!? whats with the edit or skipping? for example, at 25:22. what’s up with that?

  • http://www.facebook.com/debbie.horn.750 Debbie Horn

    Gary, right on about war, and women’s rights. America was always the leader, I’m not real sure when it changed. But you are so right. We should not be the bully, that’s not who we are! We should set the example. And it all starts here with our votes. Pass this on. We are the people and we need to speak out. Two parties can not represent who we are.
    Thank you Jill and Gary.
    I’ll be voting tomorrow for Gary.

  • NoteToSelf

    I’m often left at the end of Gary Johnson’s statements saying “what is your point?” Anyway I think he’s hit the limit of his skills as a handyman, and although I disagree with most of Jill Stein’s economics I think she showed a much better speaking skills expected from someone who has a higher level of education. Although I like most of Gary Johnson’s issues, it was fun listening to Jill Stein speak and frustrating to listen to Johnson. Sorry Gary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.dills.5 Deborah Dills

    Jill Was Awesome and very knowledgeable with a real plan to move this country away from a war economy, and corporatocracy that is destroying the middle class, a class that helped shape this country after WWII. This country has fallen with no end in sight to end the rein of the Federal Reserve and the bank bail outs that are basically stealing away the people’s money, The elite are running scared right now, and that’s way the rising police state is in full view. Our schools are a sham, our economy is not moving,, the poverty level is soaring, our jobs have been shipped overseas with corporations ruling the world, our elections, our prisons, our media, our military, our politicians, and it has got to end. Good job Jill and Gary:-)

  • NoteToSelf

    Last question for the debate, “Can Dr. Stein diagnose what’s wrong with Gary Johnson?” LOL That would have been funny, but of course that’s not the focus. The focus is getting back at the two party system and breaking their stranglehold on the political system. I don’t know if either of these two can make a dent but I would like to see more progress on that focus.

  • Standup

    In response to Dr. Steins criticism of free markets, laughing that if they solved any problems it would be the first time, I thought Gary would suggest that we haven’t seen it because we haven’t had free market solutions. We’ve had nothing but government intervention. I believe her criticisms of health care and education costs can be laid at the feet of government and she wants more of it with no apparent end to the deficit spending we have. Like Ron Paul says comparing the last two hundred years of US history to human history and our attempt to limit government and codify principles of liberty, it is freedom that is new, and it is tyranny that is old. The more we look to government the more tyrannical it becomes. Tyranny has existed throughout history, and because government represents coercion which can only shape behavior through force, like any gang that fights for power through force its existence is not proof of its benefit but it exists because it can. Developing a dependence on the government only develops a class of people who will protect it against those who would abolish it for more freedom.

  • joe marchione

    Thank you Free & Equal for getting the word out. Just wish we could have stated the Third Party Crusade earlier in the election process. Listening to this debate & the first one actually gives me hope that we can break the stronghold that the 2 party system has on us. They have sold us down the river. I can only hope that Gary Johnson gets enough votes and wins enough states that neither one of the 2 party clowns gets enough electoral votes from the electoral college. They need 270 to win. Then maybe the Third party will get some air time for the run off.

  • FortyTwo

    Did anyone actually watch this debate? I’m stunned at the way this happened. These two people didn’t co-exist in reality. They didn’t talk to each other, they instead just directed all of their comments to some “imaginary voter”. The “Rebuttals” weren’t directed at individual comments or even themes, but just another version of an earlier statement.

    While I greatly appreciate the opportunity to see alternate candidates proposing ACTUAL IDEAS for fixing our problems, I wish that they’d communicate with each other and hold a real debate. Gary put out some pretty wild ideas at points and Jill didn’t really respond to those ideas at all. In fact, Gary didn’t really respond to Jill’s ideas, rather almost using the time to speak as a soapbox for his thoughts on the issues.

    I can’t do this anymore. The mainstream political feed is so disgusting, stagnant with puppets controlled by money, while the only other candidates that should be allowed to interject new ideas into a debate are banned from entry and instead just shout two different ideologies at each other. We need actual conversations between all 4 actual candidates on the ballot. I want to see a real discussion about the direction of America, and I think it’s ridiculous that we do anything but that. All of these stupid ads and slogans and “plans” that don’t go into detail are just signposts to a disappointment. I hate all politics.

    • notetoself

      I think the real important focus was for them to highlight their differences with the main stream candidates. Their differences and similarities with each other are inconsequential, as tempting as it would be to focus on that.

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  • oldbluejeans

    The American people have “brain washed” into believing that any vote other than for one of the two main parties is “wasting your vote”. We have lost our constitutional rights and no one seems to care. Journalism is dead.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1258473460 Matt Brinck

    What bugs me about Jill is she states there is Climate Change? WTH? First it was climate warming then that lost statistical truth so now its climate change. Thats a tool of the elitest NWO Rat Bastards to seize control over our lives. I like Jill but she must not understand how the evil empire is using symbolism and global warming as a total control scam. She may just mention it because she is in the green party and and thats what green people do. Also she undertsands most Americans are totally asleep at the wheel so her talking about the falsified globaal warming scam wont ring too many bells. Now I alos just realized hearing her talk she has no economic clarity. Good thing to have this debate which shows she is a rookie on economics. CSPAN is in the MATRIX GT.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1258473460 Matt Brinck

    wow,,,this climate change stuff is really showing how far in the Matrix Jill Stein is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1258473460 Matt Brinck

    She has never heard of HAARP. That is your blessid climate change. The whole NYC hurricane Sandy thing was proven to be HAARP you idiots. So she is either an insider to elites plans of disinformation or has her head deep in the sand hole. God she is so stupid help us….I hope Gary challeges this idiot!! She is totally wrong on many points of empiracle data….I would never vote for such a idiot!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1258473460 Matt Brinck

    Gary stop HAARP. Internationally!!! You are not that stupid are you? All of these deadly storms are easily proven to be caused by are US govt tp promote climate change. What a bunch of idiots…..we are screwed on both sides of the fence. The wool is over both of these candidates eyes. HAARP and chemtrails are an elites tool at depopulation control. They must be looking down like all other pole peckers playing with their Ipods and zapping their Gonads with radiation…idiots

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1258473460 Matt Brinck

    FEMA = GASTAPO

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1258473460 Matt Brinck

    Monsanto = Evil Empire= Pure Nazi corporation. Depopulation is thier agenda

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1258473460 Matt Brinck

    Monsanto = Evil Empire= Pure Nazi corporation. Depopulation is thier agenda

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1258473460 Matt Brinck

    Gary Johnson smoked Jill Stein…..she needs to sharpen her economics and sadly is still living in the Matrix. She is still living in a world of closed perception using only her 5 senses. Which is controlled by the elites!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1258473460 Matt Brinck

    Gary Johnson smoked Jill Stein…..she needs to sharpen her economics and sadly is still living in the Matrix. She is still living in a world of closed perception using only her 5 senses. Which is controlled by the elites!

  • JCK

    Need to set this up so people can view on an IPad.

  • FallenSoldier

    It is a shame that our biased mainstream media does not support these candidates. We deserve what we get today. I’m voting for Gary Johnson in a few minutes. I will be able to look myself in the mirror in the morning. Maybe America will get it in 2016. Let’s hope.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/Dianne.E.McCarthy Dianne McCarthy

    Jill kicked ass!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevin.irwin.148 Kevin Irwin

    This woman makes no sense. You cannot change climate. It’s based on normal rotation and shifting of Earths pole position. The Earth changes it’s tilt by 55 feet per year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevin.irwin.148 Kevin Irwin

    Dr Stein must have grew up in China. She is clueless about economic issues. She claims Corporate taxes have been lowered. And that the 1% need to pay more. This is insane. If you change the rate and tax the rich 100% and all corporations 100%, you would still not provide enough revenue to run this massive government ponzi scheme.

  • notetoself

    Way to go Gary. He is the way to go.

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  • Marcia

    I don’t know enough to define the difference between coomunism and socialism. I have seen imperialism and I’m definitely against that. How about NON CHEATERism can we at least do that? Can we make a society that has the same rules for people with money as people without money? Can we make it so everyone can do some basic things like have medicine, get an education, eat, shelter and lovr without having to be a millionaire?

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  • Jason_Wise

    How come Dr. Stein did not talk about the true reason behind climate change? Like Chemtrail weather modifications, HAARP, Weather War technologies being used for an Agenda to terrorize the populace. These are the things that is happening. See “What In The World Are They Spraying” by G. Edward Griffin. I myself saw radar back scatter over a dozen states just before land fall. I have never seen that before. Was the size of this Hurrican orchestrated before the Elections in N.Y. and N.J. as well as other areas for an Agenda. Something to research.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=545423018 項麗玲

    I’ve honestly enjoyed this debate the most so far; it’s a shame Rocky wasn’t a part of it. Jill did great!

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  • sylvia rogers barnes

    Thank you for posting this. I saw most of Jill Steins talks followed her focus and was truly inspired by hers and Cheri Hongolis’ bravery, their spirit and determination to make the changes this country so desperately needs or die trying. I voted for her knowing my vote would not be relevant this time but would send a message that many of us (about 20%) support her views and needed to vote our consciousness. in order to change the political “talk”..

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