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Free & Equal Elections Foundation Changes Presidential Debate to November 5 Due to Hurricane

October 28, 2012 by 85 Comments

Free & Equal Elections Foundation today announced the date of the second open-party Presidential debate has changed to November 5.  The debate will feature Libertarian Party candidate  Gary Johnson and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, a line-up decided by voters last week after the first debate between Johnson, Stein, Constitution Party candidate Virgil Goode, and Justice Party candidate  Rocky Anderson.

The November 5 debate will be held from 9:00pm to 10:30pm Eastern Time at RT America’s state of the art studio and facility. RT America will open its studio and offer a live, neutral feed via satellite to interested media. The moderator will be announced next week.

Free & Equal has assembled a diverse group of ballot-qualified candidates, political parties, media, businesses, musicians, radio personalities, organizations, and individuals across the political spectrum to support an open, honest, unscripted, multi-partisan debate for American voters and the international community. Current sponsors include: The Nation,The American Conservative,Fair Tax Nation,Humboldt Sentinel,Before It’s News,The Josh Tolley Show,Ballot Access News,Come Home America,Owl Creek Gazette,Free Talk Live, Securing Liberty Radio, 1787 Network, Voice of Russia, Freedom’s Phoenix, Muslims for Liberty,National Constitution Party,The Justice Party,Blue Republicans,Restore the Republic,Re-Tea Party,Free the Vote NC,We the People,Grassroots for Liberty,New Progressive Alliance,Libertarian Party of Illinois, Liberty Candidates, Liberty Avengers, Liberty Chat, Cook County Green Party, Marin Libertarian Party, Rockford Tea Party, Dangerous Conversation, End the Lie,Wide Awake News, Freedom Files,Kelly Truth Squad,1787 Flags,The Liberty ViewsLetter,Liberty Hour, Liberty Tree Foundation for the Democratic Revolution, Through the Mirror with Larry Sinclair, ROJS Radio Live,Drudge Retort,Freedom Informant Network,Gadsden Rising on Freedomize,Irregular Times,J.D. Nero,The Industry,StopTheLie.com, Aleph Objects, Inc.,Ron Paul Flix,Cindy Sheehan’s Soapbox,Elect1.org,Rense Radio Network,Milwaukee Business Promotions,Libertarian Party of Tennessee, Devvy Kidd,KCSB, No Agenda, Liberty Australia, Barstool Sports, Deadline Live, Saint Joseph Telegraph, Terry Michael, Daily Paul, Freedom Force International, WCPT, Restore Liberty, The Free Press, We Are Change, Gun Owners of America, Constitutional Sherriffs and Peace Officers Association.

Viewers can catch the live debate between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson at www.freeandequal.org/live and RT America’s YouTube channel. Additional media may join the live feed.

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  • DarrylWPerry

    Will this also be streamed online?

  • KokoMax

    Since the DATE is changing, suggest you move this article to the top of your Web page and KEEP it there — you may disappoint a lot of people if they are unaware of this change in schedule. Keep up the good work; am looking forward to #2.

    • Marci

      Yes we will. Thank you KokoMax

  • Steve

    Why don’t you work with Ralph Nader rather than competing with him? Invite all four candidates, but give the top two more time, or extra questions. See if you can get Ron Paul to co-host with Nader. That’s the kind of powerhouse coalition between the libertarians and the progressives that you need to get people to pay attention. Nader’s format of inviting accredited media only may be wise, and perhaps only a small town-hall audience format. An open audience in DC may be hostile, or worse, empty. King was a good moderator. If he’ll do it again, let him.

    • http://www.facebook.com/nathan.richburg Nathan Richburg

      Great idea

    • Marci

      Competing with Ralph? What gave you that thought? We’ve only supported him at Free and Equal. We are all about more debates. Bringing people together to speak out and share their feelings about proportional representation. Thank you for your ideas.

      • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

        F&E rocks!

    • bart

      Yes, let Nader and Paul moderate and ask questions!

    • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.doe.1042 Daniel Doe

      Dennis Andrew Ball should be included in these debates! Thank you!

      • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

        Why should Ball be included? As far as I know, he is not on enough ballots to get 270 electoral votes. He’s pretty much a joke candidate.

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  • starchild

    How can organizations be added to the above list of sponsors?

  • http://globalpoliticalawakening.blogspot.com Global Political Awakening

    America wants and deserves a third party! BE THE 5%! http://www.bethe5percent.com/

    • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.doe.1042 Daniel Doe

      BALL2012.net “Act & Do What Must Be Done!”

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  • AnneMcKenzie

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/major-banks-governmental-officials-and-their-comrade-capitalists-targets-of-spire-law-group-llps-racketeering-and-money-laundering-lawsuit-seeking-return-of-43-trillion-to-the-united-states-treasury-2012-10-25
    Please consider a question for the candidates regarding this crime against the American people and the attempt to censor the CNBC excutive from reporting this story. He paid dearly through the murder of his two children and their nanny.

    • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

      The whole question of “public banking” verses “private banking” should be explored. Private banking is just a way to redistribute wealth into the pockets of the economic royalists and elites. If we had public banking our national and state debts would not be paying interest into private bank accounts and would be managable. Also public banking helps to reduce the need for higher income and other taxes because the interest collected that would be profits for private banks can be used as revenue for the government.

  • Geolibertarian

    Is it possible to get tickets to this venue? Where can we submit questions for the candidates?

    • http://twitter.com/NeonLights52 Andy

      I e-mailed about tickets and no one responded. Go figure.

      • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

        Everyone should give some grace and slack to Free & Equal. They are not a partisian organization receiving big buck from the big corporations. In fact the big corporations are afraid of what F&E stands for and keep their money away.

      • Geolibertarian

        I also emailed them and received no response :-/

    • George Bunce

      I also emailed about tix the same night as the 1 st debate with no response yet.

      • Geolibertarian

        I also emailed them and received no response

    • http://hubze.com/ David Foster

      This venue is going to be in a private studio in RT America headquarters. They are trying to get some space for people to come. It will be broadcast online however. We will keep you posted.

  • Laura

    Wish we could have all 4 3rd party candidates again. I wanted to hear more from justice. I am great full for these debates. It is USO good to hear other choices!

    • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.doe.1042 Daniel Doe

      a 5th candidate should be included. Dennis Andrew Ball. Where is Ron Paul?

      • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

        Ron Paul ran as a Republican candidate and lost. So he doesn’t get to represent a party in debates.
        Ball is a laughing stock with his “family unit” absurdity. But the reason he is not included is that he is not on the ballot in enough states to win 270 electoral votes.

    • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

      The 4 candidates will be on stage together in the debate on Nov. 4 moderated by Ralph Nader.

  • Steve

    Have Lawrence O’Donnell moderate. He’s the only mainstream anchor (as far I know) who, not only covered the last Free and Equal debate, but has also acknowledged the insidious two-party stranglehold and urged Americans to vote third-party. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9TAZRYO-Tc

    • Angela

      Lawrence O’Donnell is a horrible choice, imo, not only is he wholey biased but he’s not very competent as a reporter. From what I’ve see of his show, it’s some of the worst of the MSNBC propoganda, in part because of his smug attitude. If you check out his interview with Luke Rudkowski you can see just how much he’s in the pocket of the system. I would avoid any debate with him as moderator unless he mindlessly spoke rote questions submitted by the public. Even then I’d question the choice of the questions. Big fat “no” to Lawrence O’Donnell from me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.doe.1042 Daniel Doe

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    • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

      My personal choice would be Tim Sebastian of BBC fame. He couldn’t be called biased because he doesn’t participate in US elections. He is a very experience Oxford style debate moderator and he knows how a moderator is supposed to ask the devil’s advocate questions toward both sides to draw out each side’s weakness. His work as a debate moderator can be viewed in the Doha Debates where he is bringing the practice of open debating to the Arab world. http://thedohadebates.com/debates/series/?s=6

  • http://twitter.com/WanVald Juan V

    Cancelled by HAARP’s hurricane.

  • Alex

    Remember, remember the fifth of November,
    The gunpowder treason and plot
    I know of no reason
    Why the gunpowder treason
    Should ever be fought

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004098274300 Jam Cat

    Early Voting started on Saturday here in Florida. I purposely wanted to wait for this debate before casting my ballot. Now that it is moved back, I cannot run the risk of an unforeseeable event causing me to miss my opportunity to vote on Nov. 6. So, I go to the ballot box with less information than I’d prefer :(

    • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.doe.1042 Daniel Doe

      Vote Right=In Candidate, Dennis Andrew Ball!

  • Angela

    Can you be more specific about the location? Is RT’s studio in New York? I live just outside DC so was hoping to attend before it got moved. Even just the city of the new location would be helpful, thanks.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/goldielockss Goldie Locks

    Why was the debate rescheduled to hours before the poles open. It should have been relocated Something stinks. Yet again

    • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

      There is a debate on Nov. 4 that the two candidates are participatring in. Obviously, no date before that was available for both candidates. Jill Stein is at this moment in jail having been arrested in Texas for attempting to take Halloween candy to the Tarsands/Keystone pipeline protesters.

  • ProbativeQuestions

    How about more carefully crafted questions, perhaps sifted online by debate supporters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/roger.d.huebner Roger D Huebner

    I agree with KokoMax. I was searching the satelite programing looking for the debate priginally scheduled for this evening. My thoughts are with the many caught in Sandy’s path. Thank you for all you have done to expose other candidates and to oppose the current two party only policies that have been adopted as unwritten political law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.davidson.710 David Davidson

    Can’t wait guys, thanks for the heads up!

  • Spekdrum

    I sincerely pray this next debate will be handled more professionally. It was painful to watch the last one with Larry King. He could have been so much better. What made it even worse was Christine. She sat there giggling like she was star struck with Mr. King. Please, please, please have a more informed & prepared moderator (and co-moderator “if” one is needed) for November 5th. This country is in far too deep to have the future being handled like it’s a junior high school debate.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Eva-Manning/100000620787204 Charles-Eva Manning

      All true. Also, next time, get a decent turntable.

    • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.doe.1042 Daniel Doe

      Let us agree to disagree that the system is broken and needs a major overhaul!

    • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

      Painful or funny? Dear Larry King is definitely past his prime, but it was like watching a favorite uncle at the holiday meal. You know he is going to say something silly but don’t know what it is until he says it.

    • Old School

      Agree with your assessment. I had the same discomfort.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Eva-Manning/100000620787204 Charles-Eva Manning

    The debates put on by Free and Equal and Democracy Now mark the beginning of a truly historic resuscitation of our moribund democracy. However, we need to start looking to 2016. Free and Equal could be, or could establish, an Alternative Commission on Presidential Debates that doesn’t exclude third party and independent candidates, and that sets up primary debates running through the primary season in 2015-2016, pitting progressives, including even Republican and Democrat refugees from the duopoly, against each other the way the duopoly Republicans battled each other this year. The ACPD must be non-partisan; that is, not controlled by the major parties, third parties, or individual candidates. The ACPD debates should feature seats on stage reserved for the leading duopoly candidates, whose non-attendance would highlight their refusal to discuss the real issues and be confronted with progressive ideas. The Internet makes all this possible without everything being controlled by the rich. Financial restraints should forbid the rich from drowning out alternative voices with money. Voting on the Internet should be strictly controlled to insure one man/one vote. Done correctly, this would allow choosing the most effective presidential and vice-presidential challengers to the duopoly candidates in 2016 by persuading the debate losers to stand aside, as the Republican losers stood aside for Romney in 2012. The primary voting could end in time for the prevailing candidates to win ballot access in all 50 states.

    • MarianGB

      “…Voting on the Internet CANNOT be strictly controlled to insure one man/one vote….” If you meant only the debate-winner, for publicity, maybe I can swallow that. But if you meant run our Elections by Internet Voting— NO way! Trusted Elections require a voter-verified paper ballot, under conditions so that the paper ballots may be hand-counted.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Eva-Manning/100000620787204 Charles-Eva Manning

        The technology is evolving. People could register and only be allowed to vote as registered members of the organization. That would allow geographical distinctions and limitations in the number of votes. Americans Elect had something like this set up, although I certainly don’t recommend Americans Elect as a model. Paper ballots (mail-in’s) could be used, if the postal service still exists in 2015-2016.

        • MarianGB

          Internet voting can never become a method of balloting that runs with assured integrity. The administrator of the organization/agency/jurisdiction has total control over the data sent in, as well as the data tallies, and if motivated, can create whatever desired vote-totals to report out, with no way for independent outsiders to verify the tally. (I’ve been a programmer since the 1960′s.)
          http://NoLeakyBuckets.org

      • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

        Venezuela has the best system in the world. Electronic voting for instant results with a paper ballot for recount verification.

        • MarianGB

          I respectfully disagree, Gregory, even not knowing how the paper ballots are created and consolidated. You used the term “recount”. That has multiple meanings, in my understanding a full count of paper ballots is only done when the initial tally is _very_ close (maybe 1/2%), but the corruption of internet voting can also be instant. All it takes is a special code in the vote-count program, set up by insiders, that switches a determined percentage of votes cast by the voters for the “wrong” candidate. Thus, they will be able to assure that there would never be a call for a “recount”, so the paper ballots would have no utility (value).

          There are other circumstances that can be reviewed, and we still need to understand your meaning of the word “recount”.

          • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

            In Venezuela they have the machine show the vote both electronically and on the paper ballot. The voter confirms and the paper ballot goes into the ballot box. After the election, a mandatory percentage of paper ballots in randomly selected precincts are compared to the reported electronic results to see if there was discreptency. This is done without any need of a close vote in order to verify the electronic results conforms to the paper ballots.

          • MarianGB

            Thanks for clarifying the system referred to. I was originally responding about the risks of internet voting. You are talking about voting at “traditional” poll-sites, with a machine which produces a voter-verified paper ballot. That is indeed good. As you describe the followup sampling for discreptencies, if that is properly done and with verifiable log-sheets of the movements and tallies, sounds like a good system to me.

          • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

            Right, I could have been more clear that I was not referring to internet, but to what I consider the best system so far that uses both electronic voting for quick results and paper ballots for verification that the electronic results haven’t been tampered with. I do think that internet voting has potential but is not yet near secure enough.

          • MarianGB

            Ah, indeed. “Indefinite antecedents of the pronouns” gets us into trouble.

            I will close by repeating that I cannot see a way ever to bring internet voting into a condition that satisfies all of: * Security, * Vote Secrecy, and * Integrity. The “Administrator” of a central system (a county, or a state), off in a dark room somewhere, has the ability to do things that “jiggle” the program to shuffle votes, and nobody outside would ever know.

  • The Red

    Do you know how hard I had to look for this change….? Understand the attention span of most people. You are walking the razor.

  • frustrated voter

    I was sent e-mails asking for money….why not send an email telling me the debate time/date had been changed?

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  • CaseyHamlin

    Ron Paul Moderator… Plain and Simple.

  • Ben

    it would be so awesome with Nader and R. Paul… I love R. Paul, i was depressed when I heard that he was throwing in the towel. God bless people like him and the third party contenders. We need to get away from this left-right paradigm…

    • http://hubze.com/ David Foster

      Just so you know Ron did not at all throw in the towel. I feel the towel was ripped from his hands, but he is still in the game and returning to chairman of Campaign for Liberty and will remain very much an activist for the movement. That is a man who could not throw in the towel if he wanted to!

      • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

        We saw good demonstrations of the American Brand of Fascism at both the Republican and Democratic National Conventions. The Republicans misused and abused the rules to put down Paul supporters, and the Democrats misused and abused the rules to change the platform at the last minute.

  • Ben

    These debates between Obama and Romney is like watching a low budget reality show. Its all staged. I cant believe people cannot wake up and realize that these people do not work for us, but for the corporations.. They are nothing more than CORPORATE PITCHMEN…. Coke or pepsi anyone?

  • grasleaves73

    According to this analysis: http://subsidiaritytimes.wordpress.com/2012/10/31/4th2012uspresidentialdebate/ Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode won the October 23rd debate. Just curious… How did Jill Stein win the second slot?

    • http://wonderwheels.blogspot.com/ Gregory Wonderwheel

      LOL! It is explained by the writer’s bias who is on the Libertarian/Tea Party side of the political spectrum. Jill Stein won the second spot by the voters voting for her.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001685094320 James Ogle

    @freeandequal @TheRealRoseanne Free & Equal Party’s POTUS candidate Barr blocked from Russian TV debate by Foundation’s Unelected Dictators!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/william.dail.3 William Dail

    So what happens when Jill Stein can’t make it out of jail in time for the debate? http://www.jillstein.org/breaking_jill_stein_arrested

    • Free and Equal

      She has already been released William. Class C misdemeanor.

  • ATLprofessor

    Folks, this is an inept news release.

    I wanted to publicize the event, but to do that I will have to write my own news release. This news release is about the change of date, not about the presidential debate. It is packed with extraneous information that few people want to read. The media links are way at the bottom. When you click on the media links, the first one tells you that you missed the debate and the second one generates an error message.

    I know that third parties face challenges, but the challenges shouldn’t be of basic competence. This is embarrassing.

  • Ron Helton

    What a National Embarrassment that none of the American networks have yet opted to carry this feed. Even PBS who has made sure that they have covered every debate between President Obama and Monsieur Romney.

    I contacted the programming director at WETA in Washington D.C. to ask why they are not carrying this content.

    Our election system is truly broken when the top two parties are too afraid to even stand toe to toe in a debate with independent candidates.

    America R.I.P. 2012

  • Old School

    Why have a mock vote and then only let those two sound off? Sounds a bit like what I thought F&E was fighting against. It seems to me that in order to give ‘fairness’ we ought to hear from all the candidates all we can.

    BTW: don’t think it was a real debate in the strict sense of the word. More of a Q&A session. This observation was proved by the fact that there were few true rebuttals, which obviously annoyed Mr. King. Or perhaps the candidates were not willing to argue differences of opinion. Or maybe there would have been more if more time was available.But, I digress.

    To reiterate; While I appreciate greatly the opportunity to hear the candidates I don’t understand this second phase. Sorry.

    Keep up the good work. The real independent thinkers appreciate it!

  • Michael

    this is free and equal

    and theyre only letting two candidates debate and not all four
    this is the 2party system at its roots

  • http://www.facebook.com/tina.fletcher1 Tina Fletcher

    Hopefully they will be able to acquire enough votes with the final debate being held only a day before the final elections.

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  • jhon

    OK Folks here it IS!!!! We did it. Ron Paul has enough write in states

    to win the election at 302 with extra to SPARE not including unknown

    States. Get out the Congressman Ron Paul/Judge Andrew Napolitano WRITE

    IN VOTE: http://www.dailypaul.com/261529/sodahead-congrats-to-supporters-of-ron-paul-your-efforts-have-forced-30-states-to-agree-to-count-write-in-votes

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